Church loses opt-out fight over gay adoptions

[lunamoth]

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[Dor]

Hmm
upset politicians and homosexuals or upset God. Think if I was Catholic church Id continue with business as usual and ignore the politicians and keep adopting the way I had been.

[kenod]

Originally Posted by Dor

Hmm
upset politicians and homosexuals or upset God. Think if I was Catholic church Id continue with business as usual and ignore the politicians and keep adopting the way I had been.

I'm with you on this one. But here's a dilemma, in fact it's a situation that I know about: Two women living in a lesbian relationship have been jointly caring for the children of one of the women for many years. Should the mother's partner be able to legally adopt so that the children would not be taken away, if something should happen to the biological mother?

As for a gay couple adopting a child that has no biological relationship to either partner, I would say that the adoption agency should select adopting parents on the basis of the best interests of the child. Some people applying for adoption in this country have been rejected because they were over weight and so considered unable to provide the optimum caring environment for the child. Surely there is widespread agreement that having both a male and a female parent will provide the optimum environment for the child, and therefore it is not discrimination against homosexuals, it is simply putting the child's needs first.

[Faithfulservant]

As a Christian I uphold the laws of the land because I honor my God that way.. but the line is crossed when the laws of the land go against the laws of my God.

[Silas]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

As a Christian I uphold the laws of the land because I honor my God that way.. but the line is crossed when the laws of the land go against the laws of my God.

I think you may have chosen the right name for yourself. Way to go!

[Francis king]

I would say yes, the woman has the right to refuse to serve the man, and the woman also has the choice not to get into the taxi...

if the state does not serve the individual, then we do not live in a democracy... for the individual to take orders from the state without being involved in the creation of those orders means we instead are living under some kind of feudal or totalitarian system...

I said- I cannot imagine a gay couple going to a catholic angency to adopt children... but what does that suggest about catholics..?

and u said- "It suggests that it is well known that Catholics have a view on the matter which does not coincide with the gay couple's view".

which is the crux of the matter, really, isn't it?

I, incidentally, was brought up by a collection of fine men and women, and some of them were gay, and some of them were sinners. They didnt try to turn me onto gayness, and they didnt want to initiate me into the world of lesbianism. Some of the hetero's were adulterers, some of them were drunks, some of them were married with kids. I loved them all. As an adult, I value them all the more.

u asked- why would a gay couple seek to adopt from a Catholic agency in the first place?, and u said u didnt know why...

yeah, u do, really, but u can't say... so I will...

they might have been brought up catholics... ! or, they might just belong to agencies like stonewall, and be deliberately provocative... but not all gay ppl are rampant politico's, u know, in much the same way not all catholic priests like to bugger children...

yes, catholic schools are considered to have a better standard of education, but only by the aspiring middle classes, who think their children are too special to go to the local underfunded comprehensive...

"Should a Catholic school be able to discriminate between those who uphold the ethos, and those who don't, but seek to benefit by it?"

in an ideal world we would not have seperate schools for seperate faith groups... what does religion have to do with IT skills, grammar, engineering?

I am cheered to discover though that u have brought ur kids up to live according to their consciences, and believe me, that more than suffices...

I don't know where u got the "But, then again, you do support a culture that sees nothing wrong with the sale of women, according to the flourishing trade in wives from the Philippines ..."...

erm... I dont have a wife, and she's not from the phillipines... nobody I know has ever bought a wife, and they are highly unlikely to.... dont know why u threw that one in....

does my 'multispecies intergalactic democracy' mean everyone in the galaxy thinks the same way you do?

no, it doesn't... how boring would that be..? A million zillion little me's running round... scarey...

thomas, I'm not attacking u, personally... u seem like a decent enough sort, 9even if u are a staunch catholic)... left footers are supposed to be a bit more rebellious, u know, its in our history...

[Thomas]

thomas, I'm not attacking u, personally...

No offence taken, and none intended.

It's all to do with perceptions .... my 16yo turned round a couple of weeks ago when we were watching an episode of "Waking the Dead" (TV police series) which figured an Opus Dei member involved in a dodgy bank deal (hint towards 'the vatican banker' found hanged under Blackfriars Bridge) – OK, but the Opus Dei guy was a flogging himself before the crucifix ... 'why is it,' she asked, 'that in the last few TV programmes that has a Catholic character, they're always nutters?' - a couple of weeks before a Catholic convent was portrayed with mad nuns and more flogging ... Catholics are rarely portrayed these days as anything other than flaggelants or otherwise sexually deviant, and that's the image you meet with when you talk to people.

Thomas

[Francis king]

suppose I should have added- not attacking catholics either! most of the catholics I know are more likely to be flogging summat for charity on ebay than flogging themselves...

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Francis king

suppose I should have added- not attacking catholics either! most of the catholics I know are more likely to be flogging summat for charity on ebay than flogging themselves...

who?