Coming full circle

[Snoopy]

er, yeah....like....whatever flow just....



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[flowperson]

Well Snoopy...it seeems that we agree that a primary attribute of life at the "OF" Corral is that it tends to "take your breath away".

flow....

[seattlegal]

Oy! I'm gonna have to send a sample of the water at the OF Corral off to the lab for testing!

[flowperson]

Water ? We don't need no steenking water !

flow....

[wil]

Its not the destination its the journey....

just a thought...

if you've come full circle....have you?

or have you reached a time of respite and contemplation to prepare yourself for a another trip around?

contemplate two other circles we make...once spin around the core and we reach the same perspective with the sun....do we stop...or go around again?

once around the sun we reach the same relation as well...do we stop, or do we simply acknowledge and head around again.

do either of these two trips change in course each time?? or are we likely to take very similar paths each time?? It seems we are, within a matter of degrees each day on the little circle each year on the big circle we are essentially in the same place physically... but we make the trip again...because it has value...

see ya on the flip side.

[JosephM]

Originally Posted by wil

Its not the destination its the journey....

just a thought...

if you've come full circle....have you?

or have you reached a time of respite and contemplation to prepare yourself for a another trip around?

contemplate two other circles we make...once spin around the core and we reach the same perspective with the sun....do we stop...or go around again?

once around the sun we reach the same relation as well...do we stop, or do we simply acknowledge and head around again.

do either of these two trips change in course each time?? or are we likely to take very similar paths each time?? It seems we are, within a matter of degrees each day on the little circle each year on the big circle we are essentially in the same place physically... but we make the trip again...because it has value...

see ya on the flip side.

Interesting thought Wil,

However, there is a point applicable to what has been communicated on this thread that in effect has no more journey to go around again since all seeking has stopped and it is realized that there is nothing more to journey for. It was here all along and merely ignored or overlooked. There is no more trip of any kind to take again. That is the beauty of it.

Just another thought for your consideration...

Love and Peace,
JM

[wil]

Originally Posted by JosephM

Interesting thought Wil,

However, there is a point applicable to what has been communicated on this thread that in effect has no more journey to go around again since all seeking has stopped and it is realized that there is nothing more to journey for. It was here all along and merely ignored or overlooked. There is no more trip of any kind to take again. That is the beauty of it.

Just another thought for your consideration...

Love and Peace,
JM

not even for the scenery?

If I understand that you are indicating you don't need to go to the mountain, it is all within....I can agree....however my statement while tongue in cheek...still has some application... knowing what is within is most useful outside...

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by JosephM

Interesting thought Wil,

However, there is a point applicable to what has been communicated on this thread that in effect has no more journey to go around again since all seeking has stopped and it is realized that there is nothing more to journey for. It was here all along and merely ignored or overlooked. There is no more trip of any kind to take again. That is the beauty of it.

Just another thought for your consideration...

Love and Peace,
JM

Yeah, like that

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by Paladin

Yeah, like that

You mean, like this?


“Not so long ago, the great patriarch Song Chol Sunim said, "Mountain is mountain, water is water." First we said that mountain is water, water is mountain. Next we went to the place where there is no mountain, no water. Now we say, "mountain is mountain, water is water." This is the place of attaining my true self. So, mountain is just mountain, water is just water. Our true self is like a clear mirror -- a great round mirror. In this clear mirror everything is reflected. Mountain is just mountain reflected; water comes, just water is reflected. If we completely empty our mind it's like a clear mirror. Then everything in our world is reflected in my mind: mountain is reflected, water is reflected, everything is just reflected. We call that "truth like this," the world of truth. We also say that is true form or just truth.
First, we talked about the world of impermanence. Attaining enlightenment is to lose enlightenment. Losing enlightenment is getting enlightenment. Mountain becomes water, water becomes mountain.
Next we went to the world of emptiness. Attainment is emptiness; also, no attainment is emptiness. Mountain is emptiness and water is emptiness. Complete and true emptiness.
Then, taking one more big step from the world of emptiness we come to the world of truth. Here everything is just as it is. Mountain is mountain; water is water. Attaining enlightenment is just attaining enlightenment; losing enlightenment is just losing enlightenment. We call that truth.
Now three different worlds have appeared. Of these three worlds, which one is the correct? Once again: Mountain is water, water is mountain. That's the world of impermanence. Next, no mountain, no water. That's the world of emptiness. And lastly mountain is mountain, water is water -- truth or moment world. If we have time and space, then all things exist. If we transcend time and space, then we come to the world of emptiness. Taking one more step, we come to the world of truth. In the world of truth everything we see, hear, smell, taste and touch is always teaching us. Every moment is truth.”

Zen Master Seung Sahn - Losing It is Getting It - Part I

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[Paladin]

Yeah Snoopy, I think Zen comes the closest to being able to articulate something that changes once it is put into words. I think Suzuki Roshi mentions this in his talks on the Sandokai. Something about Ji becomes Ri when you talk about it, and this idea is echoed in the Tao Te Ching as well.
Right now it seems appropriate to just let everything be what it is and only see to my own little affairs. I have no idea what God is, or enlightenment or even if such things are since they are both words and not that which is. So I think it prudent right now to simply pay attention and let that which is speak to me as much as I have the capacity to listen.

[seattlegal]

How the vinegar on that salad for lunch? Sour, bitter, or sweet?

[earl]

While I've always been drawn to circles as 1 of the deepest symbols of "sacred geometry," (the zen enso still touches something deep inside of me beyond the conceptual), in terms of my life, it seems that the spiral may be more apt. It seems to portray cycles that with each turn reveal something deeper about the position we occupied just 1 moment before. As we spiral, we may find that we alternately look and find, grasp and let go, rest in now doing "nothing" and then the next moment we feel an energy moving us along the path to who knows where. I do not look for whether the path "moves or does not," motionless, linear, circular, or spiral, I just honor the moment. It's just I tend to agree with that great American sage of baseball, Yogi Berra, who said "it ain't over until it's over." Who knows what the next moment might bring. So, I'll simply stay tuned. earl

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by seattlegal

How the vinegar on that salad for lunch? Sour, bitter, or sweet?

I feel one can transcend even the Dao, by mixing the vinegar with a fine olive oil.

s.

[wil]

Originally Posted by Snoopy

I feel one can transcend even the Dao, by mixing the vinegar with a fine olive oil.

s.

and if they stay mixed....maybe you have!

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by Snoopy

I feel one can transcend even the Dao, by mixing the vinegar with a fine olive oil.

s.

Oh, do you mean anointing with a fine olive oil?