Consciousness: A Symptom of the Soul? - Page 4

LeoSalinas22 · 07-17-2007, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 17th Angel

One man's hero is another man's villian

He did good.... And as you pointed out, yes he cannot of just been born a monster and it went from there... Those that call him a monster, those events had to have some chain reaction he wasn't just instantly made a monster....

explain, 17th, what good did hitler do?

17th Angel · 07-17-2007, 03:55 PM

He united a country that was falling apart.. He even gave some dreams... He protected his country in a previous world war.. He was a decorated hero. It goes on, as I said one man's hero is anothers "monster" some things he did, there is alot of people that would disagree yes, but there are many that would agree..... Understand? Any many can be seen as good and can also be seen as bad, I'll leave that up to "someone" else to decide though...

Postmaster · 07-17-2007, 04:14 PM

On the balance I think it's safe to say he was negative. I think its bad enough that a politican can be a role model anyway, let alone hitler. People are better off chosing someone in the art's if they arn't religious.

17th Angel · 07-17-2007, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Postmaster

On the balance I think it's safe to say he was negative. I think its bad enough that a politican can be a role model anyway, let alone hitler.

Again it just comes down to opinion.

Vajradhara · 07-17-2007, 07:15 PM

Namaste all,

i can see no foundation for posutlating the existence of any eternal, unchanging substance or essence within the universe.

the idea that humans have a soul which endures beyond physical death is a product of a fear based ego which has identified its processes as its self.

consciousness is.

Occams Razor.

metta,

~v

Tao_Equus · 07-17-2007, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Vajradhara

Namaste

the idea that humans have a soul which endures beyond physical death is a product of a fear based ego which has identified its processes as its self.

~v

I'm with you on that 101%

LeoSalinas22 · 07-17-2007, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

I'm with you on that 101%

ok, then where do our thoughts come from?

Tao_Equus · 07-17-2007, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by LeoSalinas22

ok, then where do our thoughts come from?

I cannot speak authoritatively, only from my own sense of how things work. I would say that 95-99% of "thought" is 100% personal and all is lost on death. The 5-1% is our inter-relationship with planet Earths life force, or Gaia. In that we both receive and contribute. But do not forget a beer with 5% alcohol will get you very drunk.

Tao

LeoSalinas22 · 07-17-2007, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 17th Angel

He united a country that was falling apart.. He even gave some dreams... He protected his country in a previous world war.. He was a decorated hero. It goes on, as I said one man's hero is anothers "monster" some things he did, there is alot of people that would disagree yes, but there are many that would agree..... Understand? Any many can be seen as good and can also be seen as bad, I'll leave that up to "someone" else to decide though...

i don't understand this because he killed alot of people. that alone nullifies any "good" he did and if there is such thing as "good" in his life that he did then it was out of selfish reasons. if you are going to do something good, do it for the whole of humanity, not just for a country. if not, then just don't do it. but you are right, we are all entitle to our opin. thanks for the response.

Postmaster · 07-17-2007, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Vajradhara

Namaste all,

i can see no foundation for posutlating the existence of any eternal, unchanging substance or essence within the universe.

the idea that humans have a soul which endures beyond physical death is a product of a fear based ego which has identified its processes as its self.

consciousness is.

Occams Razor.

metta,

~v

So we based this great civilisation we built on a lie?! Poor pyramid builders

This thought I have considered once, but I really think it isn't true. If you could really connect ego with the soul ideology how come theres millions of people that do not believe in a soul who have not rid there fear egos?

Tao_Equus · 07-17-2007, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Postmaster

So we based this great civilisation we built on a lie?! Poor pyramid builders

This thought I have considered once, but I really think it isn't true. If you could really connect ego with the soul ideology how come theres millions of people that do not believe in a soul who have not rid there fear egos?

Because fear ego is a pervasive survival mechanism.

Postmaster · 07-17-2007, 09:55 PM

Fear is an inherent part of being human, it's a comfort to say it’s a negative ego just as much to say theres a heaven. Both are a comfort to me and although I do not disagree with reincarnation I think it lacks the love that is found in monotheistic Abrahamic soul/heaven concept.

LeoSalinas22 · 07-17-2007, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

I cannot speak authoritatively, only from my own sense of how things work. I would say that 95-99% of "thought" is 100% personal and all is lost on death. The 5-1% is our inter-relationship with planet Earths life force, or Gaia.

so basically what you are saying is that 95% of our thoughts are from personal and 5% are from the earth? from what i understand the only thing the earth really does is provide sustinance to survive, food, clothe, water, etc. and also it swallows us up when we are dead. i guess i can agree with you because to me, God communicates to man and thru God, man knows about the earth and her needs. i think i see what you mean.

Tao_Equus · 07-17-2007, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by LeoSalinas22

so basically what you are saying is that 95% of our thoughts are from personal and 5% are from the earth? from what i understand the only thing the earth really does is provide sustinance to survive, food, clothe, water, etc. and also it swallows us up when we are dead. i guess i can agree with you because to me, God communicates to man and thru God, man knows about the earth and her needs. i think i see what you mean.

Not really from earth as an inanimate body, rather from the collective conciousness of life on earth.

tao

Neemai · 07-18-2007, 04:03 PM

I would still make the claim that thoughts are activities of the mind, much as motion is the activity of a car. Neither can a car drive without human interaction, nor a mind think without the association of the soul. The road surface, roadsigns, the other car users, passengers, type of car etc... all have a bearing on how, where and why the car is being driven in a particular way, but ultimately without the driver there would be no motion of the vehicle.

... Neemai