consciousness doesn’t sleep!

[_Z_]

consciousness doesn’t sleep!

for this one we may forget infinity, eternity, the universe and everything, i just want to concentrate on consciousness.

let us imagine that consciousness is produced by the brain or caused as a result of its presence. when we sleep it [consciousness] does not stop, the brain can be at alpha wave level yet if we wake up we usually know we were ‘there’ a moment earlier. if we wake up during rem, there is a whole host of stuff going on ~ mainly of the imagination. is the imagination located or resultant purely of the brain, or is it a function of consciousness?

it has ‘light’ but without photons, i mean that the things we imagine have the same light as what we ‘see’. we know that what we see is produced by the brain or perhaps the consciousness! [maybe both], i think we can say then that the two, ‘imaginatiory light’ and ‘visual light’ are the same thing, when we hallucinate the former can be every bit or even stronger that visual light, perhaps its strength depends on how much we ‘trust’ the input. for ordinary vision we necessarily block out anything else, or our vision of the world would become confused. darkness is the natural remainder resultant of this, the mind must have the contrast of nothing or something real that can be trusted as representing the reality we are presented with by sensual information.

so what is the actual thing we see? consciousness appears to be capable of matching a given sensual stimulus with an imagined version, but is it equally real as its physical counterpart, although not as ‘true’ as it [i.e. it doesn’t represent the reality presented to us].

is it simply that when the consciousness is presented with another set of information our reality changes accordingly. hence when we die we would not be given info from this reality, nor would the mind produce the blackness necessary as its contrast.

can we then have a world that is both imaginary yet filled with consciousness as our shared reality [as perceived]? ...and what would that be like?

it may simply be so that when the brain dies, consciousness does too. that is if we can qualify it totally as physical i.e. made of electrons and chemical reactions etc of our neurons. yet we cannot say that the light we see in either our imagination or of the eye, is physical light!

if the brain produces consciousness yet it is not physical, then it is something that exists without all the normal constraints of the said physicality.

[17th Angel]

And sleep is never conscious :/

[Paladin]

Rust Never Sleeps

[wil]

Originally Posted by _Z_

let us imagine that consciousness is produced by the brain or caused as a result of its presence. when we sleep it [consciousness] does not stop, the brain can be at alpha wave level yet if we wake up we usually know we were ‘there’ a moment earlier. if we wake up during rem, there is a whole host of stuff going on ~ mainly of the imagination. is the imagination located or resultant purely of the brain, or is it a function of consciousness?...
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it may simply be so that when the brain dies, consciousness does too. that is if we can qualify it totally as physical i.e. made of electrons and chemical reactions etc of our neurons. yet we cannot say that the light we see in either our imagination or of the eye, is physical light!

If 'consciousness' is produced by the brain, then when the brain dies it dies might/should follow. However it seems you develop a different than ordinary definition for the word.

con·scious·ness (knshs-ns)
n. 1. The state or condition of being conscious.
2. A sense of one's personal or collective identity, including the attitudes, beliefs, and sensitivities held by or considered characteristic of an individual or group: Love of freedom runs deep in the national consciousness.
3. a. Special awareness or sensitivity: class consciousness; race consciousness.
b. Alertness to or concern for a particular issue or situation: a movement aimed at raising the general public's consciousness of social injustice.

4. In psychoanalysis, the conscious.

Am I mistaken? Which definition describes where you are headed?

In my belief we have a term that makes many try to put me in a new ager category, Christ Consciousness. But Paul called it putting on the mind of Christ, and suggested that we all should strive for this. So we've got our subconscious mind, the part that takes care of our blood pumping and heart breathing and acts on things our conscious mind asks our body to do. (ie we sit at the computer typing think of a letter and subconsciously all those things we've practiced and taught our subconcious happen and the result is fingers flying over the keyboard picking out letters...) Then there is the conscious mind, making decisions contemplating this and that and the other thing. And then the super conscious mind one could call it G!d the all knowing, the creator, universal mind (hmmm what is the latin word for universal). Occasionally we get access to it (by putting on the mind of Christ, Christ Consciousness (the only thru me thread))

What our conscious mind perceives when we glimpse the superconscious is based on what our consciousness (dictionary definition) allows it to believe.

Namaste Paladin and Alex,

Rust, powerful metaphor! Exactly the law is the law is the law, doesn't matter if you don't believe it.

Lucid dreaming is to me a sort of semi conscious process. We also engage in semi conscious process on auto pilot during the day until someone or something snaps us out of it...

[_Z_]

And sleep is never conscious :/

are you sure, i think there is only consciousness with different levels of connection to the physical self and environment. hence we never sleep ~ in the context of not being there at all.

If ‘consciousness’ is produced by the brain, then when the brain dies it dies might/should follow. However it seems you develop a different than ordinary definition for the word.

yes i don’t think it is produced by the brain, electro chemical processes can be reproduced outside of the brain but are not conscious. also i cannot conceive of the origins of things as not containing in some way all which follows. or in my language, infinity is everything hence has consciousness.

the dictionary meaning doesn’t say what it is, it just refers to it, i am just going by what literally is my consciousness ~ ergo what is all peoples & all creatures consciousness to some degree at least.

And then the super conscious mind one could call it G!d the all knowing, the creator, universal mind

i would call it consciousness ~ its the very same thing we have, but without the same container. it is an ocean, a shared nature that is the essence of all things. sure infinity has it ~ that is it has infinity! infinite knowledge is also a shared resource being part of the infinite.

maybe there is a god of the whole, but for me that wouldn’t mean the rest are shared.we gain access to it by thinking in infinite terms, or drawing from it as with inspiration. i think this goes for any religion or in shamanism, sure it can be christ-mind, or buddha-mind, the tao the awen, its all the same thing by a different name.

i can imagine that by calling it christ-mind you are collecting many other factors you value in with that, which is good. it is also very similar to how i see local god worship ~ but they may not be so righteous or ethical according to perspective.

i wouldn’t think there are ‘semi’- conscious processes, more different processes and with different sources [the brain or infinity], being ‘listened’ to by the same thing, one which can occupy any state. what we don’t ‘listen’ to becomes subconscious i.e. not present or held by the conscious.

interesting stuff