Controversial

[Faithfulservant]

It was a purple robe.. not scarlet. The purple was signifying a mockery of his claim of being the king of the jews. And it wasnt worm that was a horrible thing to be called.. it was a fool.

But you keep searching for your "divine truth" in whatever way you need to.

[Postmaster]

No doubt Jesus himself was the son of God and was the Messiah. Christianity is the greatest and largest religion on this planet. Only something with so much truth could cause this. Originally word about Jesus was passed on by word of mouth only, it was only many years after his death the Bible was started being put together by the Romans who converted and started writing parts of it too, and some of the word of mouth started getting fabricated and the Romans were masters of public relations and propaganda. Jesus Christ's life for over 2000 years has helped and is still helping people today with his presence on earth and that was the point of his crucifixion. Christianity by Jesus Christ has bought more good to this earth then anyone man can ever bring in science and medicine.


Maybe God wanted us to have this elaborate version of the bible! Not only because it takes faith to believe in him anyway but because if it was not for this elaborate version it wouldn't have captured the imagination of so many million hearts. And that is my conclusion to all this controversial crap. Ultimately the only thing we have of Jesus Christs teachings is the bible and is the only one accepted.

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by Postmaster

No doubt Jesus himself was the son of God and was the Messiah. Christianity is the greatest and largest religion on this planet. Only something with so much truth could cause this. Originally word about Jesus was passed on by word of mouth only, it was only many years after his death the Bible was started being put together by the Romans who converted and started writing parts of it too, and some of the word of mouth started getting fabricated and the Romans were masters of public relations and propaganda. Jesus Christ's life for over 2000 years has helped and is still helping people today with his presence on earth and that was the point of his crucifixion. Christianity by Jesus Christ has bought more good to this earth then anyone man can ever bring in science and medicine.


Maybe God wanted us to have this elaborate version of the bible! Not only because it takes faith to believe in him anyway but because if it was not for this elaborate version it wouldn't have captured the imagination of so many million hearts. And that is my conclusion to all this controversial crap. Ultimately the only thing we have of Jesus Christs teachings is the bible and is the only one accepted.

Right on Brother! I never even knew him in the flesh, but I sure know him and he is alive and well. ALIVE and WELL. Extremely WELL. The gift of the Holy Ghost is our second witness to the bible and his teachings.

Maybe God wanted us to have this elaborate version of the bible!

I will second that too! That way the people are without an excuse. I thank God for the writings. That which He is able to deliver He is also able to perform!

[Postmaster]

I created this controversial post with the intent of clearing the air and I know I found the answer for myself and helped clear things for me and I also hope that this would help people too. I knew my out come before I even started this post

[Basstian]

Jesus Son of God
Man that is a huge claim your telling me 2000 yrs have gone buy and still no one as of yet has proved him a fraud. It easy to tell when one of his followers is just watch TV and listen. But Jesus himself remains True to this day.
I went on a search for the truth I wanted what was before Rome I wanted what was before Israel I wanted the truth From before Nimrod and Tamuzz Ishtar and Semtrias started all this pagen junk I wanted the God that told Noah to build the Ark. The one with the power to give life and take it away.
I also wanted the God Abraham served that would be my friend (no big books to read) just a friend to talk to. A God that made a promise and kept it.
I didnt find that God walking into one of these churches here in the "bible belt" of middle america. I had Jesus pounded into my head from the time I was a child I was sure He wasnt it.
But then I went back to Abraham I read as he left UR I read as he offered his son as a true test of devotion and love.
I studied tried take all the spin off the old stories. I used the Bible for a history lesson so I could follow this promise God made Abraham testing him to see if he was true to His word. I was eventually lead to the truth not by Doctrine ,not by believing what some guy in a suit and tie tells me every sunday but buy study alone with writings from many different resourses.
I cant say for sure all the Bible is true I put no faith in the men that compiled it. I can say it is a very clear history lesson of one culture.
I was lead to Jesus because in this puzzle of mine He is the only piece that fits. He is my only link to the God of Abraham.
I read where He said before Abraham was I Am that was and is the God I choose to serve.
I have no ties to what most see as Christianity I could use the Bible its self to contradict what most preach.
I dont need to hear voices in my head to believe in Him.
The Truth is out there He has been out there since Time began.
Because it is the Truth it cant and will never be disproved.
You can change all the stories around it even build new ones off of it but at the root is still the truth.
I have A God that is all powerful
I have a Friend that keeps His promises
I have Truth in a world that creates new lies everyday
I have Jesus
2000 yrs and counting He is still the Truth

[Faithfulservant]

My story is very similiar Basstian. I think that there are too many other "truths" being tossed about based on man made doctrines. I would assume not belonging to a church and finding my way through the word in these times because to me the churches of today are not on the side of God much as they might think they are.
I am a member of a church however. I believe that I was led to it by a series of events set forth by God. They have no other doctrines except for what was told to us in the bible. I feel the Spirit in that church where I havent in many churches my whole life.

Welcome to CR

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

My story is very similiar Basstian. I think that there are too many other "truths" being tossed about based on man made doctrines. I would assume not belonging to a church and finding my way through the word in these times because to me the churches of today are not on the side of God much as they might think they are.
I am a member of a church however. I believe that I was led to it by a series of events set forth by God. They have no other doctrines except for what was told to us in the bible. I feel the Spirit in that church where I havent in many churches my whole life.

Welcome to CR

I will second witness that Faithful. I have had some of the same events you have and was also able to overcome them and move on. There is a reason for it all and we just keep holding on. Learning, striving and reaching for that perfect man with the help of Jesus.
I am glad you found a good place too. Because not a lot of people can say that.

[Sacredstar]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

It was a purple robe.. not scarlet. The purple was signifying a mockery of his claim of being the king of the jews. And it wasnt worm that was a horrible thing to be called.. it was a fool.

But you keep searching for your "divine truth" in whatever way you need to.

Dear Faithfulservant

I search not for divine truth, all that GOD wishes me to know is shown to me with his grace.

This "worm" in Isa. 66:24 is no. 08438 in Strong's Lexicon.  Notice that this "worm" was used thirty four times to express and represent a certain color called "scarlet".

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And we know of the saying that when one is embarrased they go red or scarlet. It is also said that Christ was also dressed in scarlet and given a crown of thorns so in effect they were calling Christ a worm.

and here I have some more information on this


"But I am a worm..." - Psalm 22:6

John Gill
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But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people. (Psalm 22:6)

Christ calls himself "a worm" ... on account of the opinion that men of the world had of him. ... The Jews esteemed Christ as a worm, and treated him as such; he was loathsome to them and hated by them; every one trampled upon him, and trod him under foot as men do worms. ... The Chaldee paraphrase renders it here a weak worm; and though Christ is the mighty God, and is also the Son of man, whom God made strong for himself; yet there was a weakness in his human nature, and he was crucified through it (2 Cor. 13:4): and it has been observed by some, that the (Hebrew) word 'towla' there used signifies the scarlet worm, or the worm that is in the grain or berry with which scarlet is dyed: and like this scarlet worm did our Lord look, when by way of mockery he was clothed with a scarlet robe; and especially when he appeared in his dyed garments, and was red in his apparel, as one that treadeth in the wine fat; when his body was covered with blood when he hung upon the cross, which was shed to make crimson and scarlet sins as white as snow.

Love beyond measure

Sacredstar

[Sacredstar]

Here is another link about the 'Worm'

http://ww2.netnitco.net/users/legend01/worm.htm

[Sacredstar]

Dear Basstian

Originally Posted by Basstian

Jesus Son of God
Man that is a huge claim your telling me 2000 yrs have gone by and still no one as of yet has proved him a fraud.

I think the scholars are more interested in discovering whether he truly existed in the form that he as been portrayed. They now all agree that he did not because there is absolutely no evidence to prove that he did.

Dear PM

You are missing out on some wonderful gems if you ignore the beautiful scriptures/gospels that Rome chose to keep out of the bible because they teach freedom and how man can achieve his own salvation. Its a bit like only reading one national newspaper, if you read six and listen to your heart you will find the truth.

The Bible did not touch hearts before they were forced to convert which is why there was so many wars in the name of GOD. Not a very good history on that account. It would be interesting poll on how many people actually believe in the words of the bible.

A dear friend of 20 year's goes to church all the time, I started to speak to her of GOD and she said Oh I don't believe in GOD or the bible, I was shocked and asked her why she went to church? She replied I just like the community atmosphere and singing the hymns.

Many pay lip service but few really serve anyone other then the self.

Love beyond measure

Sacredstar

[Faithfulservant]

Mark 15:17 And they clothed Him with purple; and they twisted a crown of thorns, put it on His head
Mark 15:20 And when they had mocked Him, they took the purple off Him, put His own clothes on Him, and led Him out to crucify Him

John 19:2 And the soldiers twisted a crown of thorns and put it on His head, and they put on Him a purple robe.

John 19:5 Then Jesus came out, wearing the crown of thorns and the purple robe. And Pilate said to them, "Behold the Man!"

It was purple

Towla` worm

definition

1. worm, scarlet stuff, crimson
2. worm - the female 'coccus ilicis'
3. scarlet stuff, crimson, scarlet
   1. the dye made from the dried body of the female of the worm "coccus ilicis"

1. worm, maggot
2. worm, grub
3. the worm "coccus ilicis" ++++ When the female of the scarlet worm species was ready to give birth to her young, she would attach her body to the trunk of a tree, fixing herself so firmly and permanently that she would never leave again. The eggs deposited beneath her body were thus protected until the larvae were hatched and able to enter their own life cycle. As the mother died, the crimson fluid stained her body and the surrounding wood. From the dead bodies of such female scarlet worms, the commercial scarlet dyes of antiquity were extracted. What a picture this gives of Christ, dying on the tree, shedding His precious blood that He might "bring many sons unto glory" (Heb. 2:4

King James Word Usage - Total: 43scarlet 34, worm 8, crimson 1

[Sacredstar]

Dear Faithfulservant I was informed by a scholar that the cloth that Christ wore during the case and the crucifixion was different and your quote above indeed confirms that the clothes that he wore were indeed changed. So thank you for that further clarification.

Love beyond measure

Sacredstar

[Faithfulservant]

Im not sure I understand.. Are you saying that the Romans changed what he wore in the text? Or that the Romans changed his clothing literally?

[Sacredstar]

Dear Faithfulservant

here is your own quote from the bible

Mark 15:20 And when they had mocked Him, they took the purple off Him, put His own clothes on Him, and led Him out to crucify Him

Love beyond measure

Sacredstar

[Sacredstar]

and in Matthew he states the robe was scarlet so who is telling the truth Mark, John or Matthew?

Mt.27:28
"And they stripped him, and put on him a scarlet robe."

being love

Sacredstar