Count down to all out war in the Middle Eeast?

[Friend]

Originally Posted by didymus

So now nobody even mentions Osama. It's almost as though we forgot about him if that is even possible. Does anybody realize this or is it just me?
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Salaam
Osama bn Ladin..??..?? ,He is a card in the hands of USA regime, they play with it when they need that, the last time we saw his game before nearly less than 48 hour of the American elections to influence it's result .....The American elector believed that ( Bush against The king of the terrorism Ibn Laden ).you will see that when they need him they will use him............

[Faithfulservant]

A card huh.. Interesting.

We dont have a regime we have a democratic government.

Im just watching it all play out. . Anyone who is interested in the biblical proportions of this should read Ezekiel 38 and 39 and use Genesis 10:1 to show who exactly the parties are to play in the attack against Israel.. and I believe that it all boils down to that prime piece of real estate.

I do not think we are above using nukes.. Like Q said we have done it before.

Preamble to the United States Constitution

"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

I support my government in whatever they do to ensure that our rights for domestic tranquility hold true from the beginning of this country till it no longer exists and we are truly One Kingdom under God.

[didymus]

Faithful, for those of us not familiar with the prophecy can you explain ? Thanks

[Sacredstar]

Dear Friend

Yes I agree the lawyer Stanley Hilton states that he as evidence that Bin Laden died six years prior to 9/11 so it will be interesting to see what is revealed when the case goes to court. So even the info about him having the kidney opeation in US military hospital in Dubai a few months before 9/11 was propaganda.

US leader tactics are so simple to see through, problem, reaction, solution.

The truth will set the people free.........

being love

Kimxxx

[Sacredstar]

the enemy is within

the UK lived with terriorists for years, London was bombed time and again

but we didn't bomb Ireland to the ground.......

as you said the other day Q Bush is a focus for people's hatred

and Bin Laden and terriorists are the focus to create fear in the people of the US cos the rest of the world sure don't fear them.

Perhaps if we heal the fear, hatred and darkness within we can have peace on earth.

peace

Kim xxx

[Dor]

The truth will set people free....unfortunately if you are waiting for truth from Stanley Hilton you will not get much of it. It has been shown he has been fabricating things, adding people he doesnt represtent to the "lawsuit" and the lawsuit has been thrown out all ready.


I agree jolly old England hasnt dropped the bomb but before you get to high and mighty I would go back through your history at some of the attrocities yall have commited against Ireland, Scotland, India shall I continue.


Frankly we dont care what the rest of the world fears or thinks about us. We all know the next time yall find yourself in a bit of trouble who you will call. It has happened before it will happen again. We are the big bully everyone hates till we have to come save your behinds then we are loved for a couple yrs till you feel safe again.

[Sacredstar]

Dear Dor

Thank you for the latest info on Hilton I will check this out, but there are another two court cases being brought by other lawyers too. (sounds like a few people have been bought off).

I agree about the UK's past, history shows us that every great nation destroys itself with its own hand when it begins to dominate others.

But Europe as decided that it cannot allow the US to dominate the world and so Europe as decided to gather forces to ensure that this does not continue. Europe feels it can be another super power to match the US and in this we will have to wait and see whether they put their money where their mouth is.

Having said all that I love my US brothers and sisters and do not wish to see teh US be destroyed by its own hands and the puppet holders.

Those in the know are aware of the bigger picture and are doing their best to help US citizens to wake up.

being love

Kim xxx

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Bandit

yes. it really should have been taken care of then, but there must be a reason why they waited. it is true the U.S. never does react immediately. wise as serpants gentle as doves? maybe?

Only if you ignore the wording. "wise as serpants, and innocent as doves." Remember, God was warning the faithful that the unruly were more shrewed in business dealings than they...and whether good or bad, it was an admirable trait.

Originally Posted by Bandit

...sure there could still be nuclear weapons in the ground or materials transfered to a neighboring country. hard to say. My point with him is, he did not have the power that he tried to make people think even if he was 4th in weapons. He was too easily brought down.

Then aside from the blessings and or intervention of God, you must think the US military is...lucky? Twice? Also, you can not forget the United Kingdom's efforts, as well as the Arab coalition in the early 90s, and the European/Asian coalition currently engaged in this situation. Overwhelming force against a "desert king".

Originally Posted by Bandit

I think this is really heading toward clearing the path for the Kings of the North to come down again. (not sure which ones that will be included in that.)

If you take the concept figuratively it is the two countries farthest north. There are only two countries farthest north in this world. One is Russia, "served" by a president, and the other is the United States (Alaska, a significant part of the United States 1/5th), "served" by a president, is farther north than Canada, Finland, Greenland, or Iceland).

If you take this literally, then who are to two "kings" farthest north? Two lands ruled by kings? Hmmm, King of Sweden? Future King of England? Which countries in the north have a Monarchy as a ruling body? Something to think about.

Originally Posted by Bandit

....And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished....

Who is the woman? liberty? The whore? Justice? The Church?

So many questions when we get into prophecy.

v/r

Q

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by didymus

Ok, I need to get this off of my chest. The original intent was to track down Osama Bin Laden. We invaded Afghanistan and this was certainly justifiable. But somehow we all fell asleep here in the USA. We completely left our mission in Afghanistan and invaded Iraq on suspicion of WMD. United Nations told us repeatedly to wait because there was not enough evidence.

We were supposed to respect the rules of this union just like all the other countries were supposed to. We chose not to wait and made a preeminant strike. As far as I know if any other member of the United Nations did this we would have stepped in to stop them and they would have been labled a rogue country. Think about it.

So we invade Iraq make it all the way to Baghdad and can not locate WMD. So we say, well, he was a dictator and the world is better off without him. This is true but it doesn't erase the fact that we completely ignored United Nation suggestions. We are held to a very high standard on the global scale and we completely fanned our nose at everyone and did what we wanted. This to me was unacceptable and I think there will be long term consequences.

So now nobody even mentions Osama. It's almost as though we forgot about him if that is even possible. Does anybody realize this or is it just me?

There is a spiritual law in effect called reaping and sewing. This law is as reliable as the law of gravity. It doesn't always happen immediately. Look at the slave trade. The USA reped what it sewed 200 years later. Now there are blacks all over the country that are still living in poverty and unable to rise above the oppression( imagined and real)that they and their ancestors lived. God only knows what will be reaped from Iraq. Oh,and for those wondering about Saddam yeah he did some dispicable things and was going to reap what he sewed whether we went in or not.

The United States of America was attacked (3 times before 9/11, that we are privy to). The President of the United States of America said "no more". The people agreed, and agreed again in 2004 (November). The United Nations has its own agenda (which does not include the United State of America as a deciding factor in its ultimate decisions). The President of the United States does not take orders from the United Nations, nor will not (a great thorn in the UN's side). US military assigned to assist the United Nations Peacekeeping forces do not take their orders from other than US Commanders, who get their orders from the Pentagon, not the United Nations. The US military is forbidden from wearing the uniform of any other entity (extra national or military, or any piece of one while on duty, and/or in the uniform of the United States, and/or under orders of the United States), and the UN does not like that.

The original intent was to get every ******* ever associated/affiliated with the attack on the United States of America, wherein 3000 plus people lost their lives in 2001, 6 people lost their lives and over 1000 were injured in the Twin towers bombing in 1993, the USS Cole was damaged and 27? sailors lost their lives in 1999. That was and is the ultimate goal.

The media almost never mentions Osama bin Laden, until it is conveneient (read that as make headlines).

I don't have a clue where the African-American issue plays a part in this war. The punishment to the "white folk" of America (wherein they did their damndest to kill themselves and eachother over the plight of the black man/woman/child), happened over 145 years ago. Today, some African-Americans are doing their best to kill themselves and eachother, and the rest of us often feel helpless.

Hmmm, you've made me think of something. Why would the United States "infringe" upon the rights of others (Iraqis), in order to see to it that they get a good start (or we attempt to), when we won't do that for our "own people"?

Oh, yea, the Constitution. Plus the facts of life. Any time someone tries to pull themselves out of a bad situation, the miserable try to pull that one back down with them. Misery loves company, and hates those that try to rise above it.

Of course the haves look down at the "have nots" with pity or contempt. The middle class won't look anywhere but straight ahead, because of fear of falling back down, and dreams of rising even higher. However the media doesn't help in magnifying the issues to an unmanagible point either.

Guess I have a unique perspective. I'm on the outside, looking in. Nice thing about military life...it has a great way of providing a different vantage point to view things.

v/r

Q

[didymus]

I'm not minimizing any of the attacks on US targets, as I said before the attack on Afghanistamn was justifiable. If we are not going to abide by UN rules why bother being in there in the first place? If the UN is so insignificant why did we ask them to go and search for WMD before we made a move? And do you find it coincidental that the UN said we don't have enough proof yet and the fact that we never found anything? Maybe they were telling the truth.

My main point was that this 9/11 issue got seriously sidetracked from Osama to Saddam, call it what you want but this is obvious to anyone with eyes and ears. It's like if some kid on the block attacks me and then goes and hides and I get frustrated so I kick his cousins butt who wasn't even there. I;m just saying it appears as though this thing went way off track.

My point of blacks in america had nothing to do with 9/11. My point was reaping and sewing. Some thought it was a great idea to bring africans over here and make slaves out of them in order to increase production at no cost. Well, 200 years later when they abolished slavery you had thousands of blacks that couldn't read write or do much else for that matter. Every problem you see in the black community is a direct result of their treatment in this country. We reaped what we sewed with the blacks. Noone thought of that. Well, maybe nobody is thinking of this similarly either. As I said before time will tell. As it stands now Iraq is a mess. Maybe it was a mess before but it was there mess not ours. Now it's our mess.

[Sacredstar]

Dear Didymus

I agree with you on the UN and Europe backs the UN 100% too.

Five months prior to 9/11 it was reported in a UK national newspaper that Bush wanted to go into Iraq but could get no support from the world. Hence why the British people were very suspicious about 9/11 problem, reaction, solution ~ Iraq war.

There is certainly nothing like a war to take people's mind's off the state of the state and create fear to increase security measures.

Cause and effect - karmic retribution, reaping what we have sown also agree with that too! There was a US middle class ethic origin lady on British TV today and she stated that if she was ever tried in a court of law, she would prefer to be tried in the UK because she was certain that she would get a fairer hearing here. TV presenters were shocked at her revelations about the justice system but yet they all agreed there is no other way then jury. But research from psychologists proved that in many cases justice is a farce in the western world. Apologies Q I digress.

being love

Kim xx

[I, Brian]

Originally Posted by Sacredstar

Thank you for the latest info on Hilton I will check this out, but there are another two court cases being brought by other lawyers too. (sounds like a few people have been bought off).

Unless, of course, some of the lawyers involved started out with "ambulance-chaser" mentality, and become resigned to see there is no easy money in persuing such cases.

[Sacredstar]

well one of the cases is being funded by journalists, film stars, authors, and the pillars of US society I will see if I can find the link.

But here is another one for those who might be interested in the lastest news as it develops.

http://www.911truth.org/

[Sacredstar]

Respected Leaders and Families Demand Deeper Investigation into the Events of 9/11

NEW YORK CITY, NY (Oct. 26, 2004) -- An alliance of 100 prominent Americans and 40 family members of those killed on 9/11 today announced the release of the 911 Truth Statement, a call for immediate inquiry into evidence that suggests high-level government officials may have deliberately allowed the September 11 attacks to occur.  The Statement supports an August 31 Zogby poll that found nearly 50% of New Yorkers believe the government had foreknowledge and "consciously failed to act," with 66% wanting a new 9/11 investigation.

Focusing on twelve questions, the Statement highlights areas of incriminating evidence that were either inadequately explored or ignored by the Kean Commission, ranging from insider trading and hijacker funding to foreign government forewarnings and inactive defenses around the Pentagon.  The Statement asks for four actions:  an immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer, Congressional hearings, media analysis, and the formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry.

The Statement's list of signatories includes notables spanning the political spectrum, from Presidential candidates Ralph Nader, Michael Badnarik, and David Cobb to Catherine Austin Fitts, a member of the first Bush administration, as well as Washington veterans like Pentagon whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg and retired CIA analyst Ray McGovern. Other signers range from peace activists like Code Pink president Jodie Evans and Global Exchange's Kevin Danaher to former US Ambassador and Chief of Mission to Iraq, Edward L. Peck; from environmentalists like Randy Hayes and John Robbins to business leaders such as Paul Hawken and Karl Schwartz, CEO of Patmos Nanotechnologies; from populist journalist Ronnie Dugger to renowned investigative reporter Kelly Patricia O'Meara.  

The Statement also includes 43 noted authors, including New York Times #1 bestseller John Gray, as well as 18 eminent professors, historians, and theologians.  Other notables include five-term Georgia Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, singers Michelle Shocked and Michael Franti, and actors Ed Asner and Mimi Kennedy.

The Statement was facilitated by 911truth.org, a leading coalition.  The organization has also announced a press conference outside of Eliot Spitzer's Manhattan office (corner of Cedar and Nassau) at 2:00PM on Thursday, Oct. 28th where 9/11 family members and victim group representatives will file a formal complaint demanding the first criminal investigation of 9/11 events by the New York Attorney General.

For a complete statement and list of signatories, see http://tinyurl.com/5o832 or http://www.911truth.org.

[Friend]

War on terror is a war to control the Middle East.

The War-on-terror is a war for oil, in other words a war for the control of the Middle East.

The USA has always depicted its war on terror as conflict between democracy and Islamic fanaticism. However the real motive for this war has its roots in history.

The true center of the conflict is Saudi Arabia itself. America doesn’t want a new government in Saudi Arabia to gain power. A new government might strip America off the vast oil deposits, which represent 1/6th of world reserves.

To fully understand the current wars, one should travel back in time, to WWII. Oil was an essential factor in the Allied victory over the Axis powers, although the nuclear strikes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki ended the war. Oil powered the vast numbers of ships; tanks and aircraft. It was widely assumed, therefore, that access to large supplies of oil would be critical to US success in any future conflicts.

During World Wars II, the United States was able to obtain sufficient oil for its own and its allies' needs from deposits in the American Southwest and from Mexico and Venezuela. But these supplies would be insufficient to meet American requirements in the postwar era. As a result, the State Department initiated a study to identify other sources of petroleum. This study concluded that only one location could provide the needed petroleum: the Middle East.
President Roosevelt met with King Abd al-Aziz Ibn Saud, the founder of the modern Saudi regime, on a US warship in the Suez Canal following the February 1945 conference in Yalta. It is believed that Roosevelt gave the King a promise of US protection in return for privileged American access to Saudi oil--an arrangement that remains in full effect today.

This relationship has provided enormous benefits to both sides. The United States has enjoyed preferred access to Saudi petroleum reserves, obtaining about one-sixth of its crude-oil imports from the kingdom. Saudi Arabia also buys about $6-10 billion worth of goods per year from US companies. The Saudi royal family, for its part, has become immensely wealthy and, because of continued US protection, has remained safe from external and internal attack.

To protect the Saudi regime, the United States has steadily expanded its military presence in the region, eventually deploying thousands of troops in the kingdom.
US personnel have become deeply involved in the regime's internal security apparatus. At the same time, the vast accumulation of wealth by the royal family has alienated it from the larger Saudi population. The regime has outlawed all forms of political debate in the kingdom (there is no parliament, no free speech, no political party, no right of assembly) and used its US-trained security forces to quash all opposition. After the occupation of Afghanistan by the USSR, and the overthrow of the Iranian Shah, the United States assumed a more direct role, deploying military advisers in the kingdom and providing Saudi Arabia with a vast arsenal of US weapons.

Jimmy Carter declared at that time: “any move to control the Gulf, by any power, would be considered an assault on vital American interests.” = The Carter Doctrine. Carter established the Rapid Deployment Force in the Gulf, including warships and bases in Bahrain, Oman etc.

President Reagan also established a relationship with Bin Laden and gave him arms worth $3 Billion, for his fight in Afghanistan. Reagan also issued an important add-on to the Carter Doctrine: The United States would not allow the Saudi regime to be overthrown by internal dissidents, as occurred in Iran. "We will not permit [Saudi Arabia] to be an Iran," he told reporters in 1981.

Then came the Persian Gulf War. When Iraqi forces invaded Kuwait on August 2, 1990, President Bush the elder was principally concerned about the threat to Saudi Arabia, not Kuwait. At a meeting at Camp David on August 4, he determined that the United States must take immediate military action to defend the Saudi kingdom against possible Iraqi attack. To allow for a successful defense of the kingdom, Bush sent his Secretary of Defense, Dick Cheney, to Riyadh to persuade the royal family to allow the deployment of US ground forces on Saudi soil and the use of Saudi bases for air strikes against Iraq.

When the operation “Desert Storm” ended, the large US military presence in Saudi Arabia was never fully withdrawn (after the end of the fighting in Kuwait). American aircraft continue to fly from bases in Saudi Arabia as part of the enforcement mechanism of the "no-fly zone" over southern Iraq (intended to prevent the Iraqis from using this airspace to attack Shiite rebels in the Basra area or to support a new invasion of Kuwait). American aircraft also participate in the multinational effort to enforce the continuing economic sanctions on Iraq.

President Clinton further strengthened the US position in the gulf, expanding American basing facilities there and enhancing the ability to rapidly move US-based forces to the region. Clinton also sought to expand US influence in the Caspian Sea basin, an energy-rich area just to the north of the Persian Gulf.
Any consequences have flowed from all this? The sanctions on Iraq have caused immense suffering for the Iraqi population, while the regular bombing of military facilities produces a mounting toll of Iraqi civilian deaths. Meanwhile, the United States has failed to take any action to curb Israeli violence against the Palestinians. It is these concerns that have prompted many young Muslims to join bin Laden's forces.

In conclusion, the USA is fighting to prevent Muslim fundamentalists from getting power in Iraq and the other oil rich Gulf states, for an anti American government would sever all ties with the US oil companies.