Crop circles

ardenz · 06-18-2007, 10:56 PM

What could crop circles indicate? are they hoaxes?

I happened to pass through Glastonbury several years ago and picked up a book called Vital Signs by Andy Thomas (Vital Signs Publications). The book has quite a good account on the crop circle phenomena, giving various research and points of view and some amazing photos. Crop circles appear annually in Southern England.

What got my interest were the actual symbols depicted, from the Kaballah, to Yin/yang and fractal geometry.

And before you start thinking that these are easy to make, they appear suddenly- overnight, there are no tracks to show that people have walked through the fields taking measurements to make them, and some are on a huge scale.

Andy Thomas:
"Ultimately, wherever the crop glyphs come from, an increasing number of people believe they hold a deeper significance than has generally been recognised and that they may be portents of forthcoming global events, be they catastrophic or spiritual (or both). The recent revelations in the journal SC that the 'galaxy' formations of 1994 signpost specific constellations and future dates compounds this view further. With omen aspects in mind, I chose to wrap the book up with the thought that gave birth to its title - that these huge and complex patterns, whether premeditated communications or spontaneous outpourings, may well be vital signs for a crucial moment in our history. If the circles really are the heralds of something big - and they seem to be doing their best to attract our attention - we ignore them at our peril. They may have gifts for us besides their - generous enough - surface offerings of grace and beauty.

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are they a signal from another dimension?

bgruagach · 06-22-2007, 04:36 PM

They are hoaxes.

The only crop circles that I'm aware of which were not produced by humans were very crude circles produced by weather phenomenon -- basically small whirlwinds, localized tornadoes, what would be called "dust devils" in some places.

The complex ones have indeed been produced in the course of a single night by mere humans. It's been done on film to show how it's done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_circles gives a good summary of the pro-paranormal explanations as well as the skeptical ones. They have references and links for those who are interested in learning more. (Personally I have to admit that the skeptic side is pretty convincing. It would be romantic if the complex ones were of non-human origin, but the evidence is overwhelmingly against that.)

17th Angel · 06-22-2007, 04:38 PM

A group of old friends I know, make very complex crop circles... Sorry but as Bgruagach says they are 100% fake....

bgruagach · 06-22-2007, 05:14 PM

Here's an interesting TV show on YouTube about making crop circles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niH9ClOse3M

ardenz · 07-11-2007, 07:30 PM

Hi,

Sorry I've been away for a few weeks - yes I would be a sceptic too, but some part of me likes the idea that there is another dimension. A fence sitter again am I .

InLove · 07-11-2007, 07:47 PM

It's my dad. He's the one who does it.

Okay, not really. And I don't have any real wisdom or even a wild guess to add. But ever since I saw the title of this thread, I have been wanting to say that. It is an ongoing joke in my family, because my dad loves to mow the lawn. In fact, someone nicknamed him OIMWML (Old Indian Man Who Mows Lawn).

One year for his birthday, I made him a handpainted tee shirt with a picture of a space visitor pushing a lawn mower, and I added the caption "Crop Circles" underneath. (I adapted the design from one in the Wireless catalog of PBS affiliation.)

Sorry...please return to your scheduled conversation....

InPeace,
InLove

AndrewX · 07-11-2007, 09:11 PM

Ummm, no. The idea that hoaxers have - or even might have - produced the vast majority of crop circles ... THAT is the myth.

Why do we KNOW this to be a fact? Because dozens, if not scores, of scientific researchers ... have shown us many years ago that too many changes are occurring at cellular levels for a bunch of goofballs with boards and rope to have gone out and done this. Sorry ... it just doesn't work that way.

For more info, try this out: Crop Circles Scientific Evidence

The evidence is something proven by science, and not pseudo-science, as it can be observed by ANYONE ... and includes rapid microwave heating (or something that produces a similar effect), consistent cell pit changes (increase in diameter), changes in seed growth, and node cracking & reorientation.

Now you see, good ol' Billy Bob and his drunk buddies cannot - they simply cannot - take some equipment out there in a field, and make these things. We also know this by OBSERVING ... that where NO crop circle exists, massive and complex formations will appear within minutes - if not seconds!!!

This has been observed, and confirmed, time & time again ... yet still the hoaxers come forward, looking for a bit of glory - and hoping to have the last laugh. I would conjecture further, that some such hoaxers are just scared, plain & simple, that something is going which they themselves cannot explain (well of course they can't explain it! NONE of us can, as yet) ... and fear itself motivates them to seek to debunk. Out of sight, out of mind ...

At any rate, whether it's UFOs, Devas, or whatever, the subject of Crop Circles deserves to be taken seriously ... Siriusly!!!

My own belief is that this is most likely extraterrestrial, as so many of the patterns include universal, or archteypal symbols - clearly (at least to me) being drawn to indicate various things to us. I cannot claim to fully understand EACH and every symbol or pattern, nor do I hold that just because it's complicated or suggestive, it's NOT a hoax, or it IS "ET." I just say, let's be sensible about this ...

What amuses me, is that someone could actually browse through several dozen, several score ... or if you like, several HUNDRED of these crop circles - some quite astonishing, beautiful, even inspiring ... and then still say a thing like, "oh, ha ha, we know that they are hoaxed, get over it."

Perhaps those who are the most easily convinced by reading the hoaxers' stories, and watching shows where the science of crop circles is never even investigated ... have also not bothered to look at SEVERAL DOZEN (let alone several hundred) crop circle photos. I would encourage you to look further.

So, again, out of the total number of crop circles, only a small percentage can be definitively shown & proven to have been hoaxed. I don't know the number, but if we give the liberal estimate of 10% ... you skeptics out there still have A LOT of explaining to do.

Start, if you don't mind, by reading the article linked above - pursue it further if you like, for more detailed information - THEN come back and tell us how & why all these crop circles can be shown as hoaxes!

Ciel · 07-11-2007, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ardenz

Hi,

Sorry I've been away for a few weeks - yes I would be a sceptic too, but some part of me likes the idea that there is another dimension. A fence sitter again am I .

Hi, Ardenz, Welcome back.

Okay, here is a person who believes in crop circles to be something of another dimension. I also know some are man made.

But here is a person who also sees the thing known as faeries....... and other etheric light forms.
And when the green ray is in attendance nature reveals it's self in a vast array of simalacrum in natural form.

Aware of the possibilities of the possible shown through interchangable dimensional perception and consciousness.........................

......I'm trying to say...... anything is possible.

A sense of wonder is a beautiful thing.

- c -

ardenz · 07-11-2007, 09:42 PM

thanks Ciel.

Well I see tree and bird auras and strange lights surrounding things

this is a recent one - from 7th July '07

and link below

Crop Circle at Stantonbury Hill, Nr Marksbury, North Somerset. Reported 7th July 2007.

Ciel · 07-11-2007, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ardenz

[B][I][CENTER]thanks Ciel.

Well I see tree and bird auras and strange lights surrounding things

Ardenz,

I am so very happy to meet another who understands.

The first circle I encountered was back in the early nineteen nineties and the feeling was an overwhelming empathy, the very sense of not being alone. It's true I was more highly tuned to those things at the time, it's also true there is more than one intelligence at play in this world. The thing many might call extraterrestial I would call interdimensional.

- c -

flowperson · 07-12-2007, 12:10 AM

Hi all...Because of my long associations with scientists and engineers, I'm very uncomfortable declaring that anything is a hoax or 100% bogus when I believe that not all of the information is in yet, or has not been sufficiently analyzed. My opinion is that's what we're dealing with here.

There are some circles that have been man-made, and some that seem unlikely to have arisen that way. In the interest of providing more information for analysis by us all, I'm providing links to a thread from another site that I frequent. There are many smart and serious people there that respect each other's opinions. Kind of like this place. They've even tied some of this into discussions regarding the Apostle Paul.

Enjoy !

flow....

http://forum.ttbrown.com/viewtopic.p...er=asc&start=0

ardenz · 07-12-2007, 11:09 PM

thanks flow...

the Apostle Paul and crop circles !!

I just think that if they are hoaxes, where are the practice ones ?
some of these designs are just some complicated - yes ok perhaps to work out on a piece of paper or computer, but not on a large scale in a big field at night with a farmer watching out.

and some of the patterns are just amazing

cheers

ard

Postmaster · 07-13-2007, 09:49 AM

I watched a documentary on crop circles.. They followed a group of well known crop circle makers round and watched how they made very complex designs in hours on private land. I've not seen anything more complex then what they were making. It's all about method and geometry. Get a piece of string and nail it to the ground, grab the other end of it and follow it round while using a simple stick to accurately bend the crops and treading them down has already simply got you a circle in 2 minutes. Now imagine how you can manipulate the compass effect on crop circles. The more adventurous ones use other methods to get a whole variation of different shapes and sizes, geometric and non geometric.

Many farmers have been known to charge people to view crop circles on there farms. Some may even ask for permission to produce a crop circle and get it. To other farmers its a nuisance.

AndrewX · 07-13-2007, 05:20 PM

Way to address the scientifically verifiable changes at cellular levels ....

I'm still waiting for a refutation of the points I listed. Anyone read the article?

This is precisely how we know that boards and string are NOT being used for the vast majority of the circles.

Of course, this is to say nothing about all the electronic equipment that gets affected in crop circles, or the more subjective experiences of those who go into them. This may be less measurable than the points I've already raised, but as far as the boards & string idea - all it takes is one genuine crop circle, to reveal the hoaxers for the glory glory seekers that they are.

Except that we've got thousands ... (okay, hundreds, I dunno, but you get the idea

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Ciel · 07-13-2007, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by AndrewX

Of course, this is to say nothing about all the electronic equipment that gets affected in crop circles, or the more subjective experiences of those who go into them. This may be less measurable than the points I've already raised, but as far as the boards & string idea - all it takes is one genuine crop circle, to reveal the hoaxers for the glory glory seekers that they are.

In agreement Andrew,

And what do those other dimension circle makers make of the reply circles the Earth people create, is it a subconscious response, or the sublime of exterior dimension working through them........ or one and the same............

- c -