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Old 01-03-2007, 05:15 PM   #151 (permalink)
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God The Father raised Jesus from the dead (Romans 10:9), Jesus raised Himself from the dead (John 2:19-21; John 10:17-18), and The Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead (Romans 8:11). what one does, the rest do, as they are all one.
This is why the Father loves me, because I surrender my soul, in order that I may receive it again. No man has taken it away from me, but I surrender it of my own initiative. I have authority to surrender it, and I have authority to receive it again. The commandment on this I received from my Father." John 10;17-18..................
Jesus disclosed that he was to die in order to bring about man’s salvation. His death, however, was due, not to weakness on his part in the face of his enemies, but rather to his acceptance of the divine will. (Hebrews 10:7) Jesus said: "This is why the Father loves me, because I surrender my soul, in order that I may receive it again. No man has taken it away from me, but I surrender it of my own initiative."—John 10:17, 18.
Would God allow faithful Jesus to sleep forever in death? Of course not! God promised that his "loyal one" would not remain dead. (Psalm 16:10) The Jews thought that by killing Jesus, they would be forever rid of him, but on the third day, God resurrected him from death to life and later lifted him up to heaven.—Acts 2:32, 33.
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Old 01-03-2007, 05:29 PM   #152 (permalink)
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God The Father raised Jesus from the dead (Romans 10:9), Jesus raised Himself from the dead (John 2:19-21; John 10:17-18), and The Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead (Romans 8:11). what one does, the rest do, as they are all one.
If, now, the spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in YOU, he that raised up Christ Jesus from the dead will also make YOUR mortal bodies alive through his spirit that resides in YOU. romans 8;11
yes, holy active force from God , it acomplishes great things.
(1 Corinthians 6:14) But God both raised up the Lord and will raise us up out of [death] through his power.
(2 Corinthians 4:14) knowing that he who raised Jesus up will raise us up also together with Jesus and will present us together with YOU............... these annointed ones would be raised to be with Jesus with power from God
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Old 01-03-2007, 05:40 PM   #153 (permalink)
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what great power Jehovah has, and he will and has given Jesus the power to do great things , even swallow up death forever.
Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until [God] has put all enemies under his feet. 26 As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing 1 corinthians 15;24-26
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Old 01-03-2007, 06:41 PM   #154 (permalink)
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Question for you Mee: You believe Jesus to be a created angel, I get that. But, since God says that He will not share His glory with another. Why then does He share glory with Jesus? There's a contradiction there, dont you think?
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For if you publicly declare that ‘word in your own mouth,’ that Jesus is Lord,
Gr., ky´ri·os; J12-14,16-18,22(Heb.), ha·’a·dhohn´, "the Lord." Not "Jehovah."
and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved. romans 10;9
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Jesus raised Himself from the dead (John 2:19-21; John 10:17-18), and The Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead (Romans 8:11). Jesus raised himself in three days (John 2:19), ( John 10:17-18) Jesus has the power to lay down his life and take it up again.
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Old 01-09-2007, 05:09 PM   #156 (permalink)
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Question for you Mee: You believe Jesus to be a created angel, I get that. But, since God says that He will not share His glory with another. Why then does He share glory with Jesus? There's a contradiction there, dont you think?
the bible is never out of harmony with it self, so maybe you are not reading the bible in the right way , because for me there is no disharmony . accurate knowledge leads to no contratiction at all .
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Old 01-09-2007, 05:20 PM   #157 (permalink)
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Jesus raised Himself from the dead (John 2:19-21; John 10:17-18), and The Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead (Romans 8:11). Jesus raised himself in three days (John 2:19), ( John 10:17-18) Jesus has the power to lay down his life and take it up again.
(Isaiah 50:5) The Sovereign Lord Jehovah himself has opened my ear, and I, for my part, was not rebellious. I did not turn in the opposite direction.

(John 10:17) This is why the Father loves me, because I surrender my soul, in order that I may receive it again.

(Hebrews 5:8) Although he was a Son, he learned obedience from the things he suffered; ...........i quite like these ones , Jesus was obedient to his father ,
(Philippians 2:8) More than that, when he found himself in fashion as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient as far as death, yes, death on a torture stake....................if Jesus was God who was he obedient to ? yes Jesus was obedient to his father .
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the bible is never out of harmony with it self, so maybe you are not reading the bible in the right way , because for me there is no disharmony . accurate knowledge leads to no contratiction at all .

OK, great. So please explain your answer, you never do. God is zealous and jealous for His glory. He said He will not share it with another. Why is she sharing it with Jesus?
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Old 01-09-2007, 11:25 PM   #159 (permalink)
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Under Christ’s Kingdom the inhabitants of the earth “will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.” (Psalm 37:11) No one will say: “I am sick.” (Isaiah 33:24) Any incapacity we may have had to endure will be reversed, for “the lame one will climb up just as a stag does, and the tongue of the speechless one will cry out in gladness.” (Isaiah 35:6) Aged individuals will regain their youthful vigor; their flesh will “become fresher than in youth.”—Job 33:25.
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OK, great. So please explain your answer, you never do. God is zealous and jealous for His glory. He said He will not share it with another. Why is she sharing it with Jesus?
no he doesnt.
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Under Christ’s Kingdom the inhabitants of the earth “will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.” (Psalm 37:11) No one will say: “I am sick.” (Isaiah 33:24) Any incapacity we may have had to endure will be reversed, for “the lame one will climb up just as a stag does, and the tongue of the speechless one will cry out in gladness.” (Isaiah 35:6) Aged individuals will regain their youthful vigor; their flesh will “become fresher than in youth.”—Job 33:25.
What does this have to do with my question. There are many scriptures that teach that God is jealous for His glory. As a matter of fact, Isa. 42:8 says, "I am the Lord! That is my name! I will not share my glory with anyone else, or the praise due me with idols." If Jesus is a created being as you believe, why is God sharing His glory with Him when He already said that He will NOT share His glory or the praise due to Him with anyone else? Please answer that, sir.
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Because there is a -purpose- for jesus?

And from Jesus' actions and such that draws more glory to god? Perhaps? jesus represents god.... So, when someone represents something a company a person a diety whatever... How they act, reflects back to the bigger picture... jesus lived this perfect life apparently, and all of his actions and deeds while upon the Earth would have given a good impression of god... Hence giving him glory...

John 11:41 - 44 Is a nice example,

Therefore they took the stone away. Now Jesus raised his eyes heavenward and said: “Father, I thank you that you have heard me. True, I knew that you always hear me; but on account of the crowd standing around I spoke, in order that they might believe that you sent me forth.” And when he had said these things, he cried out with a loud voice: “Lazarus, come on out!” The man that had been dead came out


Is this jesus saying "me me me me me me me."

Or is he passing the glory on?
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Because there is a -purpose- for jesus?

And from Jesus' actions and such that draws more glory to god? Perhaps? jesus represents god.... So, when someone represents something a company a person a diety whatever... How they act, reflects back to the bigger picture... jesus lived this perfect life apparently, and all of his actions and deeds while upon the Earth would have given a good impression of god... Hence giving him glory...

John 11:41 - 44 Is a nice example,

Therefore they took the stone away. Now Jesus raised his eyes heavenward and said: “Father, I thank you that you have heard me. True, I knew that you always hear me; but on account of the crowd standing around I spoke, in order that they might believe that you sent me forth.” And when he had said these things, he cried out with a loud voice: “Lazarus, come on out!” The man that had been dead came out


Is this jesus saying "me me me me me me me."

Or is he passing the glory on?
yes thats right, Jesus gave the glory to Jehovah and he wanted the crowd to know where the power came from . it was not from himself but it was from his father Jehovah. Jesus always glorified his father.
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What does this have to do with my question. There are many scriptures that teach that God is jealous for His glory. As a matter of fact, Isa. 42:8 says, "I am the Lord! That is my name! I will not share my glory with anyone else, or the praise due me with idols." If Jesus is a created being as you believe, why is God sharing His glory with Him when He already said that He will NOT share His glory or the praise due to Him with anyone else? Please answer that, sir.
I am Jehovah. That is my name; and to no one else shall I give my own glory, neither my praise to graven images. isaiah 42;8
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I am Jehovah. That is my name; and to no one else shall I give my own glory, neither my praise to graven images. isaiah 42;8
the word is god so it is not someone else.
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