death is swallowed up - Page 2

17th Angel · 12-20-2006, 10:56 AM

Ok yeah... Interesting, but, back to my questions... If there is no death, the world will become over populated... There wouldn't be enough food/water/space or any resources to sustain all.. Although I guess if you can't die you wouldn't need food or water... but would still need room...

JosephM · 12-20-2006, 03:48 PM

1 Cor. 15:55-57
O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? [56] The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. [57] But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

The way I see this, It is not a future event but a continuous presence in victory. If we are now free of the law by grace then sin has no more strength or dominion over us. We were once dead but now we are alive in Christ. Why do you wait for physical death to have the victory over death? He gives (giveth) us the victory now. (present tense) Why do you make that physical which is spiritual? The only death that matters to the Christian is separation from God... not the body. Whether the body lives or dies is not what is important.

Love in Christ,
JM

BlaznFattyz · 12-20-2006, 04:59 PM

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... If there is no death, the world will become over populated... There wouldn't be enough food/water/space or any resources to sustain all.. Although I guess if you can't die you wouldn't need food or water... but would still need room...

kinda like china?

Silas · 12-20-2006, 05:07 PM

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God is the one who chooses them , they dont choose themselves, but the whole purpose of God was to have humans living on a paradise earth for ever , man was created to live on the earth , and when things are done inline with the creator , that will be paradise indeed . the earth is a wonderful place to be even now, just think what it will be like when there is no more oldage, sickness, crime, wars, etc ect, yes it will be just as this verse in revelation 21;3-5

So God wont be there in paradise with man? That sucks! So mee, was the Almight God's plan to give man paradise thwarted by man [Adam and Eve]? Did God know that they would sin?

aburaees · 12-20-2006, 07:06 PM

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So God wont be there in paradise with man?

Was God there in paradise with Adam?

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That sucks!

Why does it suck?

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So mee, was the Almight God's plan to give man paradise thwarted by man [Adam and Eve]?

Nope, his plans have just been put on hold while he settles his bet with Satan. The reason God will put people in Paradise is so he can carry out his original plan for the Earth.

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Did God know that they would sin?

Doesn't God know all?

Dor · 12-20-2006, 09:27 PM

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Was God there in paradise with Adam?

Have you read Genesis? Yes he was.

Why does it suck?

If you do not know why Eternity without God will suck then none of us can help you.

Doesn't God know all?
Yep everything

Silas · 12-20-2006, 09:50 PM

aburaees

Was God there in paradise with Adam?

Yes.

Why does it suck?

Man's cheif end is to glorify God and enjoy Him forever. To live any other way is to have a vain and wasted existance.

Nope, his plans have just been put on hold while he settles his bet with Satan.

What Bible verse is that?

The reason God will put people in Paradise is so he can carry out his original plan for the Earth.

According to acts 2, things are going exactly to the way God planed things now. Man isnt sovereign over God and God's plan wasnt put on hold or thwarted by man. Thats a sad thing to believe. Jesus is the "lamb slain 'before' the foundation of the world." Moreover, He came in the "fullness of time" to do what He knew He had to do before the worlds were made?.

Doesn't God know all?

God knows all - He's that Huge and Powerful and Amazing, and Glorious, etc. By the way, are you a J. Witness?

Faithfulservant · 12-20-2006, 10:30 PM

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You fall under the section of being a Chrisitan who has the Holy Spirit that will lead you in all truth and who does not need for anyone to teach you (concerning the essentials of the faith). That said however, God has appointed teachers and preachers, etc., to teach and explain biblically the meat of the word. That is why certain scriptures such as Pro. 25:2..."It is the glory of God to conceal a matter and the glory of a king to seek out a matter," are written.

Are you denying the power of the Holy Spirit to reveal ALL truth to ALL people any time He wants to?? Are you saying that He needs a man to explain His word to anyone?

I thought I knew who you were and Im sorry but I dont know you at all.. Are you a mormon or JW or (sorry Q I adore you) a Catholic?

You are walking a fine line of heretical teaching and its apostate... seriously I beg you to take a step back and spend some time praying fasting and meditating on the word.. You are taking inch by inch taking God off His throne.. Spurgeon was a respected teacher but He was not Jesus Christ.

Silas · 12-20-2006, 10:49 PM

Are you denying the power of the Holy Spirit to reveal ALL truth to ALL people any time He wants to??

The Holy Spirit testifies of Jesus and leaders sinners to calvery where they meet Christ. Moreover, He leads them in life through the process of santifcation, whereby they grow in God's truth and are transformed into the image of Jesus. This is either by the reading the word, or hearing the word preached. That said, What Bible verse says that the Holy Spirit will reveal all truth to all people any time He wants to?

Are you saying that He needs a man to explain His word to anyone?

God needs nothing from us, but thanks be to His amazing grace that He uses means by which we learn. One such means is by teahers/preachers, etc.

I thought I knew who you were and Im sorry but I dont know you at all.. Are you a mormon or JW or (sorry Q I adore you) a Catholic?

I dont know what you mean here, but I assume you say this because of my calvinistic beliefs. You only say that because you dont understand calvinism, which is only a nick name for the gospel. Calvinism doesnt teach that man is any better than he is and that no one in hell is there because he does not want to be there (hell is locked from the inside). It is scripture and I would encourage any believer in the Lord to humble themselves and seek to see if this is true. Be good beareans. I wasnt alway calvinist, but I did ask questions that lead me here.

You are walking a fine line of heretical teaching and its apostate... seriously I beg you to take a step back and spend some time praying fasting and meditating on the word.. You are taking inch by inch taking God off His throne.. Spurgeon was a respected teacher but He was not Jesus Christ.

No teacher is even worthy to be mentioned in the same breath as Christ. As a matter of fact, there hasnt even been a good man worthy of God's grace. There have only been weak and pitiful souls whom God has given mercy and grace to. As for what you said, I must say that Im very please to hear it. I am glad God saved you. I would still ask you however, to judge what I say from scripture and let it alone be your guide, rather than presupposstions. That way we'll glorify God and edify each other.

Dor · 12-20-2006, 11:01 PM

Silas,

Has God ever gave you any meat when you have been reading the Bible or studying on your own? Seems all your meat has come from one group of people?

Silas · 12-20-2006, 11:10 PM

Yes Dor.

He gave me the understanding of my sin. That is what lead me to Christ and 3 years later, to Calvinism. When I understood my sin as exceedingly sinful, I understand why Calvinist taught election by predestination. The werid thing about me though, Dor, is that I was/am considered by all those who know me a "good" guy. I was never really doing anything extra...was just a regular kid. But, God revealed my heart and I saw and understood my depravity. I have a deep sorrow for my many sins, but an even greater apprication for grace knowing that I dont at all deserve any of it.

Later,

Silas

Dor · 12-20-2006, 11:40 PM

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Yes Dor.

He gave me the understanding of my sin. That is what lead me to Christ and 3 years later, to Calvinism. When I understood my sin as exceedingly sinful, I understand why Calvinist taught election by predestination. The werid thing about me though, Dor, is that I was/am considered by all those who know me a "good" guy. I was never really doing anything extra...was just a regular kid. But, God revealed my heart and I saw and understood my depravity. I have a deep sorrow for my many sins, but an even greater apprication for grace knowing that I dont at all deserve any of it.

Later,

Silas

Well we agree on one thing I see. I do not deserve any grace at all. I made the choice to accept that grace which makes it even more special to me.

Silas · 12-21-2006, 12:52 AM

Your choice to recieve God's grace is based on the fact that you are a sheep. According to Matt 10:27-30, Jesus says we believe because we are sheep and not that we are sheep because we believe. He said to others in His day..."You do not believe because you are not my sheep," and not the other way around. None of us are any better than any other sinner. We arent smarter or have greater wills to suffer in this life to hope for a better one with Jesus. We are saved wholly by grace alone and because it pleased God to save us.

Faithfulservant · 12-21-2006, 02:25 AM

The Holy Spirit testifies of Jesus and leaders sinners to calvery where they meet Christ. Moreover, He leads them in life through the process of santifcation, whereby they grow in God's truth and are transformed into the image of Jesus. This is either by the reading the word, or hearing the word preached. That said, What Bible verse says that the Holy Spirit will reveal all truth to all people any time He wants to?

1John 5:6 This is He who came by water and blood--Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which He has testified of His Son.

If one decides they ALL decide because they are one.. they bear witness with each other.. they agree with each other..

God needs nothing from us, but thanks be to His amazing grace that He uses means by which we learn. One such means is by teahers/preachers, etc.

Matthew 23:10 And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ.

I believe that God teaches us through mere men... but these men cant make up thier own doctrines.. they cant pull something out of scriptures that isnt there..and claim its in context..

all I have to do is look at the fruit of it.. its hurtful and harmful to tell people that if they dont accept Jesus its because God doesnt want them to.. Foreknowledge and predestination is for believers... not unbelievers.. God preknew who would choose Him... he didnt chose them because of it... He chose them because they WANTED Him.. Its kind of strange but when I was doing a study the Spirit fed me some meat that I believe pertains to this. If you want i will share it with you.. Ive posted it somewhere else already..

I dont know what you mean here, but I assume you say this because of my calvinistic beliefs. You only say that because you dont understand calvinism, which is only a nick name for the gospel. Calvinism doesnt teach that man is any better than he is and that no one in hell is there because he does not want to be there (hell is locked from the inside). It is scripture and I would encourage any believer in the Lord to humble themselves and seek to see if this is true. Be good beareans. I wasnt alway calvinist, but I did ask questions that lead me here.

Who did you ask the questions to?? Im seriously doubting you asked God.

No teacher is even worthy to be mentioned in the same breath as Christ. As a matter of fact, there hasnt even been a good man worthy of God's grace. There have only been weak and pitiful souls whom God has given mercy and grace to. As for what you said, I must say that Im very please to hear it. I am glad God saved you. I would still ask you however, to judge what I say from scripture and let it alone be your guide, rather than presupposstions. That way we'll glorify God and edify each other.

I am judging the fruit of your teaching and thats my entire issue with it.. Its not biblical and its destructive divisive elitist arrogant prideful self righteous and not in the least legalistic. . Its not in the bible its construed by a couple of scriptures.. it does not edify the body.. it sets a stumbling block.. and it certainly does no glory to God by limiting Him to what YOU think He will do and why He will do it.. You think God has revealed this truth to you... this gut reaction the Spirit gives me when I hear false doctrine is working overtime right now.. last time I had this reaction I was sitting in the pew listening to some guy tell me that we soulsleep..I trust this voice a lot mor e now than I did back then... the scriptures Im finding to defend myself with are confirming that gut feeling..

It has absolutely nothing to do with salvation.. its basically saying that your saved because God wanted you to be saved but your brother... hes not saved because God chose not to save him.. It removes Christ and His sacrifice completely from the picture which is demonic and once again Im reproaching you and this false teaching... its legalistic and a stumbling block..

In this situation you need to eat your food and let others eat their food because like I said it has nothing to do with the salvation recipe I quoted

Silas · 12-21-2006, 05:42 AM

Faithfulservant

1John 5:6 This is He who came by water and blood--Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which He has testified of His Son.
If one decides they ALL decide because they are one.. they bear witness with each other.. they agree with each other..

I'm gonna post the samething I said so you can read it again. I dont think you understood what I said and I dont know what you wrote has to do what I said...Here it is again: "

The Holy Spirit testifies of Jesus and leaders sinners to calvery where they meet Christ. Moreover, He leads them in life through the process of santifcation, whereby they grow in God's truth and are transformed into the image of Jesus. This is either by the reading the word, or hearing the word preached. That said, What Bible verse says that the Holy Spirit will reveal all truth to all people any time He wants to?

Matthew 23:10 And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ.I believe that God teaches us through mere men... but these men cant make up thier own doctrines.. they cant pull something out of scriptures that isnt there..and claim its in context.. all I have to do is look at the fruit of it.. its hurtful and harmful to tell people that if they dont accept Jesus its because God doesnt want them to.. Foreknowledge and predestination is for believers... not unbelievers.. God preknew who would choose Him... he didnt chose them because of it... He chose them because they WANTED Him.. Its kind of strange but when I was doing a study the Spirit fed me some meat that I believe pertains to this. If you want i will share it with you.. Ive posted it somewhere else already..

Please share it. I want to know where the Bible says that God chose us because "He foresaw we would have faith." That said, ALL scripture, including election, is to used both for believers and unbelievers. You probably assume bad fruit and so you build your judgment on that.

Who did you ask the questions to?? Im seriously doubting you asked God.

I didnt even ask a question? Why do I feel you're reading something that I'm not saying?

I am judging the fruit of your teaching and thats my entire issue with it.. Its not biblical and its destructive divisive elitist arrogant prideful self righteous and not in the least legalistic. .

You ought to seek God on what you're taking about. Read all of what I said since I spoke about Calvinism and I never said anything unbiblical. I never said that God will cast away anyone that wants Him and that only those who dont want God will go to Hell. Moreover, I said that God's choice is not baised on my supposed goodness because I have no righteouness. So question? How is that arrogant or proud? I cant say that I'm suprised by your assumptions and your attitude thought. Most people who dont understand these subjects act that way, at first. I would only encourage you to study this without being bias and pray.

Its not in the bible its construed by a couple of scriptures.. it does not edify the body..

LoL. These teachings have more value in edfication that you are even aware of now. I cant even explain, but you dont even understand them right now. I can tell you're speaking from assumptions and I'll be glad to explain these doctrines and have you compare them with scripture to see if they are of the devil or of God.

it sets a stumbling block.. and it certainly does no glory to God by limiting Him to what YOU think He will do and why He will do it..

There you go again. I wish you would actually read my stuff. I so hate aruging with Christians! If you read what I said instead of juming to conclussions and assuming, you'd see that I gave God ALL the glory. Again I'd like to start this thing over. Id just ask that you humble yourself and read what I say. Ultimately I can be WRONG. But, as it were now, I dont beleive so. I'm conviced that calvinism is the gospel. I'd like to discuss it with you and have you explain why you dont believe though - that would be great. I'll start a new thread taking it from the begining.

You think God has revealed this truth to you...

Yes. Because I humbled myself and asked "why would anyone who witness believe this?"

this gut reaction the Spirit gives me when I hear false doctrine is working overtime right now..

Dont go by "gut feelings" but instead by scripture. Always Scripture Alone!!

last time I had this reaction I was sitting in the pew listening to some guy tell me that we soulsleep..I trust this voice a lot mor e now than I did back then... the scriptures Im finding to defend myself with are confirming that gut feeling..

Awesome! Find scriptures that say I am wrong and I'll be humble enough to listen. I never want to believe something just because I like it! By the way, Soul Sleep is wrong!
It has absolutely nothing to do with salvation.. its basically saying that your saved because God wanted you to be saved but your brother... hes not saved because God chose not to save him..

Wrong. None choose God, but God in His mercy chose some. Honestly speaking, He should have chose none!

It removes Christ and His sacrifice completely from the picture which is demonic and once again Im reproaching you and this false teaching... its legalistic and a stumbling block..

How'd you get that? Do you not understand that it is ONLY by Jesus' sacrifice that ANYONE has a good standing with God? Without Jesus' sacrifice we are all God's worst enemies. Why would you assume that Calvinist removes the cross? Wow!

In this situation you need to eat your food and let others eat their food because like I said it has nothing to do with the salvation recipe I quoted.

This has everything to do with Salvation and I aim to show how. I'll begin a new thread.