death is swallowed up - Page 3

17th Angel · 12-21-2006, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

kinda like china?

I guess... But with alot more guidlines, rules and so on and so forth.....

mee · 12-21-2006, 05:16 PM

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1 Cor. 15:55-57
O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? [56] The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. [57] But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

The way I see this, It is not a future event but a continuous presence in victory. If we are now free of the law by grace then sin has no more strength or dominion over us. We were once dead but now we are alive in Christ. Why do you wait for physical death to have the victory over death? He gives (giveth) us the victory now. (present tense) Why do you make that physical which is spiritual? The only death that matters to the Christian is separation from God... not the body. Whether the body lives or dies is not what is important.

Love in Christ,
JM

Jesus showed on a small scale when he was on the earth, how bringing people to life and healing people is easy with power from God, but when Jesus heals and resurrects people in the future it will be on a large scale .
God’s Son, Jesus Christ, has given us sound reasons for believing that the dead can be resurrected, with the prospect of everlasting life. An incident that occurred near the city of Nain can help us to realize that such a miracle is possible through God-given power. On one occasion, Jesus met mourners carrying the body of a young man out of the city for burial. He was the only child of a widow. Jesus told her: "Stop weeping." Then he touched the bier and said: "Young man, I say to you, Get up!" At that he sat up and spoke. (Luke 7:11-15) This miracle certainly bolsters our conviction that the resurrection hope is sure ,there are many cases where Jesus with power from his father Jehovah raised people to life.
(Mark 5:35-43; Luke 8:49-56)
John 11:1-45)
(Matthew 11:4-6)
Since Jesus when on earth resurrected the dead, he can surely do so as a mighty spirit creature empowered by God. Jesus is "the resurrection and the life," and how comforting it is to know that in the near future "all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out"!—John 5:28, 29; 11:25.

mee · 12-21-2006, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

kinda like china?

when things are done Gods way many things are possible,
He said: "The things impossible with men are possible with God." luke 18;27
so my word that goes forth from my mouth will prove to be. It will not return to me without results, but it will certainly do that in which I have delighted, and it will have certain success in that for which I have sent it.isaiah 55;11yes he will swallow up death for ever . and as JOHN 5; 28; says ,do not marvel at this .

mee · 12-21-2006, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Silas

So God wont be there in paradise with man? That sucks! So mee, was the Almight God's plan to give man paradise thwarted by man [Adam and Eve]? Did God know that they would sin?

no it was satan the devil that put the spanner in the works , but that does not change Gods original purpose for the earth , because (he causes to become ) and it will come to be

BlaznFattyz · 12-21-2006, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mee

when things are done Gods way many things are possible

i don't know if you have noticed.. but im not in kindergarten. lol, sheez.

mee · 12-21-2006, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by aburaees

Was God there in paradise with Adam?

Why does it suck?

Nope, his plans have just been put on hold while he settles his bet with Satan. The reason God will put people in Paradise is so he can carry out his original plan for the Earth.

Doesn't God know all?

i agree with all of your answers , but i think that God chooses what to foresee,

mee · 12-21-2006, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

i don't know if you have noticed.. but im not in kindergarten. lol, sheez.

i like to think that i am always learning by listening to Jesus, we are never to old to learn . and Jesus is giving out some nice chunks of meaty food in this time of the end MATTHEW 24;45-47

mee · 12-21-2006, 05:53 PM

(Isaiah 25:8) He will actually swallow up death forever, and the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will certainly wipe the tears from all faces. And the reproach of his people he will take away from all the earth, for Jehovah himself has spoken [it].
(1 Corinthians 15:26) As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing.
(1 Corinthians 15:21) For since death is through a man,(ADAM )resurrection of the dead is also through a man.(Jesus)
Jesus said to her: "I am the resurrection and the life. He that exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life John11 25

BlaznFattyz · 12-21-2006, 06:01 PM

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i like to think that i am always learning by listening to Jesus, we are never to old to learn . and Jesus is giving out some nice chunks of meaty food in this time of the end MATTHEW 24;45-47

but some of us are mature enough to eat meat and not suck milk.

mee · 12-21-2006, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

but some of us are mature enough to eat meat and not suck milk.

yes i am chewing on some nice revealed understanding about bible prophecy , and it tastes very good indeed

Daniel 2;44 daniel 7;13-14 taste and see that Jehovah is GOOD PSALM 34;8

aburaees · 12-21-2006, 06:08 PM

So if God was in Paradise with Adam, what then is stopping him from being in Paradise with those he chooses to put there?

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Originally Posted by Silas

Man's cheif end is to glorify God and enjoy Him forever. To live any other way is to have a vain and wasted existance.

What Bible verse is that?

Anyway, I ask again why does it suck? In fact I'll rephrase...

If God chooses to put some people in Paradise, why does it suck? Shouldn't we be grateful for what God gives us? Really, if you got Paradise instead of Heaven - would you really feel so left out? Would you actually desire MORE than what God has put aside for you? Be careful answering this one, I know ONE other character who wanted MORE - guess what his name is!

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According to acts 2, things are going exactly to the way God planed things now. Man isnt sovereign over God and God's plan wasnt put on hold or thwarted by man. Thats a sad thing to believe. Jesus is the "lamb slain 'before' the foundation of the world." Moreover, He came in the "fullness of time" to do what He knew He had to do before the worlds were made?.

I agree, his original plan is still being carried out, and that involves having mankind populate and subdue the Earth for eternity. In the meantime, he has been issued a challenge by Satan and mankind is interested in seeing the results, so Eden will have to wait.

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God knows all - He's that Huge and Powerful and Amazing, and Glorious, etc. By the way, are you a J. Witness?

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Excellent, anything less than that wouldn't be God. And no I'm not a Jehovah's Witness, but for the purpose of discussing Christianity I am interested in their views aswell as yours.

Silas · 12-21-2006, 08:22 PM

aburaees

So if God was in Paradise with Adam, what then is stopping him from being in Paradise with those he chooses to put there?

I dont know? Im asking you. So God is going to be in pradise with us? Heaven without God isnt Heaven to me. "Whom have I in heaven but thee? and there is none upon earth that I desire besides thee." Psalm 73:25.

What Bible verse is that?

Well sir, you have to take what I said in context. I said:

"Man's cheif end is to glorify God and enjoy Him forever. To live any other way is to have a vain and wasted existance."

Since scripture tell us that we are made for His glory and is meant to enjoy him forever (Isa. 43:6-7 and John 17:3), living any other way and not under that purpose is vain and wasted.

Anyway, I ask again why does it suck? In fact I'll rephrase...If God chooses to put some people in Paradise, why does it suck?

It sucks because the Uncreated Creator God who created me and saved me from a life of sin by sending His infinitely precious Son who shared eternity with Him, to suffer and die in my stead, will not be there that I may worship him face to face and sing songs of thanksgiving. If you could have pradise without God there, Im sorry to say you've never had an encounter with Him - your god would be an idol.

Shouldn't we be grateful for what God gives us?

When I was serving an idol god, I heard the gospel and the true God opened my eyes, stripped me of self-righteousness, and I saw my sin and understood my need for Jesus. I was amazed that Jesus would die for a wretch like me, when I wouldnt even admit I was in need of a Savior. I saw that God called me from the foundations of the world to be transformed into the image of His Son that I may be with Him forever. For that, I am infinitely greatful! In fact, the word "greatful" is an understatement.

Really, if you got Paradise instead of Heaven - would you really feel so left out?

Seriously, how could you even dream of living any other place than with God. You would be happy with that? Please look at yourself in light of God's Ten Commandments and see that in God's eyes (apart from Christ - the Real Jesus, you are a murderer and adulterer because you looked with lust and have hated people in your past). Let the weight of the Law crush you and then call out to the Savior to save you and He will!

Would you actually desire MORE than what God has put aside for you? Be careful answering this one, I know ONE other character who wanted MORE - guess what his name is!

Thats a nonsensical question and based from a wrong premise and wrong theology. First of all, God's desier is for His people to be where He is. Therefore, since that is what He wants, I am content with that!

I agree, his original plan is still being carried out, and that involves having mankind populate and subdue the Earth for eternity. In the meantime, he has been issued a challenge by Satan and mankind is interested in seeing the results, so Eden will have to wait.

This is why doctrine and theology is SOOO important, Chrisitans. This world has NOTHING to do with Satan, but everything with God. Satan is nothing to God. He cant even do his bidding without premission! God is not making a bet with the devil to see who will choose Him, God is in TOTAL Control. Your view on the God of the Bible is way too Human and way to Small. I know if you seek God and let the Bible alone interprete the Bible, you will know God!

aburaees · 12-21-2006, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Silas

I dont know? Im asking you. So God is going to be in pradise with us? Heaven without God isnt Heaven to me. "Whom have I in heaven but thee? and there is none upon earth that I desire besides thee." Psalm 73:25.

Tell me Terrence, are Paradise and Heaven two different places, or are they the same place?

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Originally Posted by Silas

Well sir, you have to take what I said in context. I said:

"Man's cheif end is to glorify God and enjoy Him forever. To live any other way is to have a vain and wasted existance."

Since scripture tell us that we are made for His glory and is meant to enjoy him forever (Isa. 43:6-7 and John 17:3), living any other way and not under that purpose is vain and wasted.

Why then Terrence did God put Adam and Eve in Eden? Can not God's will be done on Earth also as in Heaven?

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Originally Posted by Silas

It sucks because the Uncreated Creator God who created me and saved me from a life of sin by sending His infinitely precious Son who shared eternity with Him, to suffer and die in my stead, will not be there that I may worship him face to face and sing songs of thanksgiving. If you could have pradise without God there, Im sorry to say you've never had an encounter with Him - your god would be an idol.

Good. But if God puts you in Paradise will you be grateful or ungrateful? None of us know how good Paradise will be with or without being able to see God's face.

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When I was serving an idol god, I heard the gospel and the true God opened my eyes, stripped me of self-righteousness, and I saw my sin and understood my need for Jesus. I was amazed that Jesus would die for a wretch like me, when I wouldnt even admit I was in need of a Savior. I saw that God called me from the foundations of the world to be transformed into the image of His Son that I may be with Him forever. For that, I am infinitely greatful! In fact, the word "greatful" is an understatement.

Good.

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Originally Posted by Silas

Seriously, how could you even dream of living any other place than with God. You would be happy with that? Please look at yourself in light of God's Ten Commandments and see that in God's eyes (apart from Christ - the Real Jesus, you are a murderer and adulterer because you looked with lust and have hated people in your past). Let the weight of the Law crush you and then call out to the Savior to save you and He will!

Again, none of us know how good Paradise will be with or without being able to see God's face. Seriously I DON'T KNOW what it will be like... but surely anything God has set aside for his sheep will be good enough for them, and I'm sure he can make his sheep happy without even showing them his face.

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Thats a nonsensical question and based from a wrong premise and wrong theology.

Says you!

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First of all, God's desier is for His people to be where He is. Therefore, since that is what He wants, I am content with that!

So why did God put Adam and Even in Eden? What then is the use for a new Heaven AND A NEW EARTH? Do you even believe there will be a new Earth?

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This is why doctrine and theology is SOOO important, Chrisitans. This world has NOTHING to do with Satan, but everything with God. Satan is nothing to God. He cant even do his bidding without premission! God is not making a bet with the devil to see who will choose Him, God is in TOTAL Control.

Isn't Satan the god of this system of things? True, God has allowed Satan to do everything that Satan has ever done. Satan did indeed challenge God, and this is his proving ground, but we all know he will fail.

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Your view on the God of the Bible is way too Human and way to Small. I know if you seek God and let the Bible alone interprete the Bible, you will know God!

Everyone's view of God is too Human, even you can't completely comprehend God in your limited Human state. Do you actually think any of us desire to interpret any other way than the correct way - or is that part of our being a slave to sin, also being a slave to desire to interpret the Bible incorrectly??

Silas · 12-21-2006, 11:54 PM

aburaees

Tell me Terrence, are Paradise and Heaven two different places, or are they the same place?

Call me Proph 1 or knowledge or Conscience, or Sincere, or Ambassador, and leave Terrence for my mother. Now as for your question: Again, it is a nonsensical question because a Heaven without God isnt paradise.

Why then Terrence did God put Adam and Eve in Eden? Can not God's will be done on Earth also as in Heaven?

God's purpose in creating man was to be glorified. He foreknew they would sin and foreordained that Christ would be glorified in His forgiveness of men (Acts 2:22-23)

Good. But if God puts you in Paradise will you be grateful or ungrateful? None of us know how good Paradise will be with or without being able to see God's face.

Again, wrong question based from a wrong premise and not grounded in scripture. Therefore I cannot answer.

Again, none of us know how good Paradise will be with or without being able to see God's face. Seriously I DON'T KNOW what it will be like... but surely anything God has set aside for his sheep will be good enough for them, and I'm sure he can make his sheep happy without even showing them his face.

Thats what Im trying to tell you: God's dwelling place is going to be with man. Those in Christ will be in the presence of God and we will KNOW Him and Be with Him forever. That is going to be beyond words. whoa!

So why did God put Adam and Even in Eden? What then is the use for a new Heaven AND A NEW EARTH? Do you even believe there will be a new Earth?

God's reason for putting man in the garden was to show that He is not the author of sin. He knew they would sin and therefore Had in mind the scarifice before the worlds were. Moreover, because He foreknew they would sin, He foreordained His plan of salvation and His glorious return when He will fix everything and set up a new Heaven and New earth. Life is all about God - He's revealing Himself in History or better yet, His Story, to His creation. God is in control and isnt suprised by anything that goes on because from the foudation of the world, He foreordained things to go as they are now. Thats why He promises that all things will work for the good to all those who love Godf (Romans 8:28).

Isn't Satan the god of this system of things? True, God has allowed Satan to do everything that Satan has ever done. Satan did indeed challenge God, and this is his proving ground, but we all know he will fail.

Satan only did what God allowed Him to do. Imagine the finte created being thinking he could challenge the Uncreated Creator whos wisdom is from every lasting to ever lasting? Thats funny. (Psa. 2 comes to mind).

Everyone's view of God is too Human, even you can't completely comprehend God in your limited Human state.

Exactly! Thats why I let scripture paint my picture of who God is.

Do you actually think any of us desire to interpret any other way than the correct way - or is that part of our being a slave to sin, also being a slave to desire to interpret the Bible incorrectly??

Actually, I know that believers have a desier to study God's word. Its a blessing that comes from the God who birth them. But, not everyone goes deep into the word. Some actually get content and others go by what others say (like me sometimes).

aburaees · 12-22-2006, 12:06 AM

I'm having some sticking-points here with you, I know you're trying, so I'll return the favour...

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Again, it is a nonsensical question because a Heaven without God isnt paradise.

Paradise is Biblical.
Heaven is Biblical.
What is the difference between the two?
I have been of the opinion that they are separate places, are you telling me that they are one and the same?

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What then is the use for a new Heaven AND A NEW EARTH? Do you even believe there will be a new Earth?

A new Heaven is Biblical.
A new Earth is Biblical.
I have been of the opinion that the new Earth will come about after mankind has been judged etc.
What is this new Earth in which the tent of God is with mankind?
Who will be in this new Earth?

Do you see where I'm coming from? There are those who will be in the new Heaven, yet others will be in the new Earth. Isn't that Biblical?