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[mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

I'm sorry Mee. But your description is absolutely false. Jews are from the tribe of Judah. The religious belief is originated in the tribe of Judah (hence the term Jew). The other 11 tribes were not Jews and are not Jews. They are Benjamites, Levites, Dannites, Reubenites, etc. They were dispersed well before the tribe of Judah's faith took on the term Jewish, and the people called ethnically, culturally, nationally and religiously "Jews".

The whole purpose (I opine) for the 144,000 is the final gathering of representetives of the original 12 tribes of Israel, before that kingdom was split, broken up and sent to all corners of the earth. They are not all spiritual Jews. They are all spiritual/decendent Israelites, perhaps...but that is a huge difference than they all being from the tribe of Judah.

I do opine though that 12,000 will be authentic Jews (from the tribe of Judah). The rest will not be from the tribe of Judah, hence not Jews, physically, psychologically, nor spiritually.

And all will be literal "virgin males". That kind of leaves out most of us...

they are all spiritual Jews and they are all spiritual virgins, no bad spiritual adultary going on with them, they are clean in a spiritual sense , they are faithful to Jesus and are not adultarating themselves with harlots, and the greatest of the harlots in the book of revelation is the woman called Babylon the great, they like to be clean and not be any part of that woman , because she is full of real bad things . revelation 18;4 and Jesus wants a nice clean bride who is only pure ,they are spiritual virgins. but that woman babylon the great ,is the symbolic woman who is the WORLDWIDE EMPIRE OF FALSE RELIGION these spiritual virgins are not contaminating themselves with her , because she is dirty in the eyes of God and Jesus .

[mee]

Originally Posted by Silas

I dont understand why someone who claims to love Jehovah will continue to follow a cult who has made so many false prophecies. According to Deuteronomy 18:20-22, the prophet of God must always be 100% accurate! God will not have it any other way than perfection. How then, or rather, why then, will mee still "choose" to deny truth and deny Jehovah who he claims to love?

the bible is full of bible prophecies ,JW dont make prophecies, we keep awake to the prophecies in the bible ,and nomatter what , bible prophecies always come true .we love Jehovah because we know that whatever he says will happen, it will happen . bible prophecies always comes true . and Jesus being made king of Gods heavenly kingdom goverment has come true, just as the bible foretold . Daniel 2;44 Daniel 7;13-14 the end of the gentiles was 1914 and Jesus is now a reigning king ,he is the one with the legal right to the kingship and its all happening in this time of the end . bible promises always come true and death will be got rid of ,do not marval at this, Jehovahs name aCtually means (HE CAUSES TO BECOME) and bible prophecies always comes true.

[mee]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

and it sadly might not be the last change made and chalked up to learning.

progression works wonders ,we do not stand still we move ahead ever forward , the light gets brigher and brighter progression indeed. i am quite sure there will be newer understanding as we are guided on into everlasing life. that is what i like about being one of JW enlightenment indeed.we dont stand still we go along with the revealed iunderstanding Daniel 12;4 which in turn reveals even more .

[mee]

Originally Posted by aburaees

Of course. Though I'm pretty sure that any incorrect interpretions of the past (those which have been realised anyway) have already been dropped and replaced with something else... the JWs won't need to change their position on 1914 until the year 2034, when all of the generation that saw 1914 has passed away.

progression works wonders and keeping up to date with newer understanding means that we dont get left behind with old understanding , so what is THIS GENERATION ? have you done what i have done and gone to the channel that Jesus is using to reveal newer understanding . matthew 24;45-47 dont get stuck outside in the cold about older thoughts , be fed by Jehovah and Jesus christ by the channel that he is using . matthew 24;45-47 people who leave Jehovahs table or listen to those who have left Jehovahs table, are in the freezing cold . because i am being fed by the channel that Jesus is using i am full to the brim with newer understanding about the bible and where we are in the stream of time . and it is really warm and cosy

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by mee

progression works wonders

learning from one's mistakes is what you are referring to... but we are not talking about touching a hot stove, we are talking about false prophets claiming dates.

[aburaees]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

learning from one's mistakes is what you are referring to... but we are not talking about touching a hot stove, we are talking about false prophets claiming dates.

Does claiming a date constitute a prophecy? There are many prophecies in the Bible that God has sealed - and each one of them will be unsealed in due course. So, if a person, or an organisation thinks they have "unsealed" one of the Bible's many prophecies... only to discover that they may not have succeeded at their first attempt - does that really make someone a false prophet?

I look through Revelation sometimes, and think I might find something new, but if I could actually make myself guilty of false prophecy simply by trying to understand a prophetic scripture - should I even try in the first place?

[BlaznFattyz]

of course try to understand, the difference is you arent putting out a magazine claiming dates that cause people to sell all their possessions and be preoccupied that the world is ending, instead of living for the day and loving the lord. it is false prophecy to say your organization has a channel to god, so people believe it, then you throw the dice on dates and hope it lands so it can validate the dates you are claiming. not only is it irresponsible because they have been wrong numerous times, it is playing around with prophecy. not funny and you thinking its sarcastic to ask if you should even try to understand prophetic scripture is way off in this respect.

anyway, i was just responding to your question, i dont really want this to get sidetracked from the title of the thread, so ill stop there regarding that.

[Silas]

mee

the bible is full of bible prophecies ,JW dont make prophecies, we keep awake to the prophecies in the bible ,and nomatter what , bible prophecies always come true .

The Bible is filled with prophecies that you interprete wrong, as evident from your organization's many false claims. In the OT times, the JWs would have been stoned. Lets test your beliefs with scripture and see if you are right or indeed believing lies. Jesus once said "no one is good but God." Question: Is Jesus saying that He isnt God? If so, he is also saying that He isnt good. That being the case, how are JWs saved? Let us please discuss JW theology and see if it is indeed Biblically correct.

[Silas]

mee

there is only one Jesus and that one is the only- begotten son of God as the bible tells us John 3;16.

OK Mee, this is a great place to start. I just want to make sure I understand you clear before I start, so I'll ask a question. Do you believe that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God and therefore because He is "begotten" He is a "created" being? I aim to show that Jesus is not a created being but the Eternal God. Therefore, after giving my responce, it is important to mention that you will be responsible for the truth you will be reading. To deny truth after hearing it will only heap more coals on your head and lead to greater condemnation, so it might be better not to engage in this conversation. But, if you are sure and/or if you are brave enough, let us continue.

[wil]

Originally Posted by Silas

you interprete wrong

Originally Posted by Silas

I just want to make sure I understand you clear before I start, so I'll ask a question.

Namaste Silas...

It's the wind up and the pitch....low and inside yet again trying to get someone to swing at it foul ball can be screamed.

So glad you are here to set everything and everyone right....Jesus is surely beaming.

[aburaees]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

of course try to understand, the difference is you arent putting out a magazine claiming dates that cause people to sell all their possessions and be preoccupied that the world is ending, instead of living for the day and loving the lord. it is false prophecy to say your organization has a channel to god, so people believe it, then you throw the dice on dates and hope it lands so it can validate the dates you are claiming. not only is it irresponsible because they have been wrong numerous times, it is playing around with prophecy. not funny and you thinking its sarcastic to ask if you should even try to understand prophetic scripture is way off in this respect.

anyway, i was just responding to your question, i dont really want this to get sidetracked from the title of the thread, so ill stop there regarding that.

I understand you now Blazn. Thanks. Maybe scriptures aren't there to be unsealed by men, but by the events as they unfold around us.

[juantoo3]

Originally Posted by wil

Namaste Silas...

It's the wind up and the pitch....low and inside yet again trying to get someone to swing at it foul ball can be screamed.

So glad you are here to set everything and everyone right....Jesus is surely beaming.

Hey wil!

Speaking as a spectator, there's no sense wasting one's breath on a self-appointed judge. Oh, a judge that thinks s/he is "not judging" because s/he has no clue what sitting in judgement really means. One who interprets everything always correctly...the kind that has a hot line to G-d.

You know the kind, I'm sure. They come with a standard issue soapbox to stand on.

The kind who justify heinous acts and brutality in the name of predestination and a false sense of being chosen. The kind who presume an intimate knowledge of what goes on within the mind of G-d. The kind who after a while are only too willing to assist unbelievers (of their own personal description) to their chosen brand of hell (fire seems to be a common theme, whether by bomb or airplane). The kind who believe that 99.99% percent of the world were deliberately created imperfect by a perfect G-d (oxymoronic and ironic, yes?).

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing...and this is perfect example as to why.

[mee]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

learning from one's mistakes is what you are referring to... but we are not talking about touching a hot stove, we are talking about false prophets claiming dates.

the prophets that wrote bible prophecy were inspired by God ,so those bible prophecies will aways come true , and the date 1914 was right on time . thrilling times indeed . Jesus is now a reigning king . yes Gods representative on the throne is now ruling . keeping awake to bible prophecies means that we dont fall asleep .
Jesus told his disciples that Jerusalem would be "trampled on by the nations, until the appointed times of the nations [Gentiles] are fulfilled." (Luke 21:24) Obviously, Jesus gave his followers this information in order to help them identify the time of the end, for it is a part of his answer to the question: "Teacher, when will these things actually be, and what will be the sign when these things are destined to occur?"—Luke 21:7. yes in these last days many signs are with us , because bible prophecies are now well along in the stream of time . those early bible students did well to keep awake because now they are understanding more and more in this time of the end. but many fell right to sleep and now they are in the darkness to the enlightenment from Jehovah.

[mee]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing...and this is perfect example as to why.

false religion has done many bad things down through time , but those who stick to Jesus teachings do not do evil things, by their fruits you will recognize those men that teach what Jesus taught,........... they love God and they love neighbour also.

[mee]

Jehovah raised Jesus from death, providing a comforting guarantee that people in God’s memory will be resurrected. (John 5:28, 29)