Debating JW faith

[mee]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Why? lol because you are like a freaking robot... You know, even in the JW faith... Individuality is a GOOD thing right? Your god, doesn't want a human that is a mere shell, no personality... Just barks out, word FOR word... What some website says... He wants a person to be themself... And to take on his teachings and then with some emotion lol.... Express himself personally and let them effect his life. If your god wanted androids, more loyal than a dog, he'd of made us this way... But your "special" You are 100% different than anyone else... He knows how many hairs are on your head right? Says that in your book... So he likes to see individuals, characters

If I wrote a book and then at the end said why it was good.... And I asked you if you liked my book and you said yes... And I then asked why? And you then repeated word for word what I said in the book... I wouldn't buy it, if I did I wouldn't be pleased, because you haven't shown how it has effected you personally and your thoughts and such ;/ Got to have thoughts lol.

If you live just like a robot lol where is the fun and such? Loosen up brah....

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But, I do however know you don't listen 100% to the watchtower...

2 Cor 6:14 Do not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers. For what fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have? Or what sharing does light have with darkness? 15 Further, what harmony is there between Christ and Be´li·al? Or what portion does a faithful person have with an unbeliever? 16 And what agreement does God’s temple have with idols? For we are a temple of a living God; just as God said: “I shall reside among them and walk among [them], and I shall be their God, and they will be my people.” 17 “‘Therefore get out from among them, and separate yourselves,’ says Jehovah, ‘and quit touching the unclean thing’”; “‘and I will take YOU in.’”

2 Cor 11:13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself keeps transforming himself into an angel of light. 15 It is therefore nothing great if his ministers also keep transforming themselves into ministers of righteousness. But their end shall be according to their works.

Gal 5:9 A little leaven ferments the whole lump.

Deut 7:
1 “When Jehovah your God at last brings you into the land to which you are going so as to take possession of it, he must also clear away populous nations from before you, the Hit´tites and the Gir´ga·****es and the Am´or·ites and the Ca´naan·ites and the Per´iz·zites and the Hi´vites and the Jeb´u·sites, seven nations more populous and mighty than you are. 2 And Jehovah your God will certainly abandon them to you, and you must defeat them. You should without fail devote them to destruction. You must conclude no covenant with them nor show them any favor. 3 And you must form no marriage alliance with them. Your daughter you must not give to his son, and his daughter you must not take for your son. 4 For he will turn your son from following me, and they will certainly serve other gods; and Jehovah’s anger will indeed blaze against YOU, and he will certainly annihilate you in a hurry.
5 “On the other hand, this is what YOU should do to them: Their altars YOU should pull down, and their sacred pillars YOU should break down, and their sacred poles YOU should cut down, and their graven images YOU should burn with fire.

Interfaith movements? Why are you here then?

just because i stick to bible teachings does not make me a robot, robots do not have free will , i do have freewill and i am very glad about that ,but as the bible says
Jehovah wants everyone to benefit from his teaching. He has generously provided his inspired Word to guide mankind in uprightness, and he has caused the good news of his Kingdom to be declared in all the earth. (Ps. 19:7, 8; Matt. 24:14; 2 Tim. 3:16) A truly happy life is directly related to paying attention to Jehovah’s commandments.—Isa. 48:17, 18. and its great . and yes i would agree with the verses that you quoted ,taking on the false teachings not based on accurate knowledge of the bible would not be a good thing to do because it would mean i was unfaithful to Jesus and his teachings.that is why i have separated myself from false teachings revelation 18;4 and i have allowed Jehovah God and Jesus christ to take me in instead. i do not touch unclean teachings ,i stay with true pure teachings based on Gods word the bible .it is the only way to salvation. i am glad to say that i do not rely on my own personal thoughts, i stick with the bible . and i love talking about the GOODNEWS OF THE KINGDOM matthew 24;14because Jehovah wants me too.its because i think it is such GOODNEWS that i want others to know about it.

(Revelation 14:6) And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people,.............. i like to work inline with the faithful angels , not the unfaithful ones who are in opposition to Jehovah and his purpose . i think it is great, but many dont even know about the GOODNEWS of the heavenly kingdom daniel 2;44 ,because religious leaders dont want people to get the goodnews . so they lead people away from the Goodnews.

(Mark 13:10) Also, in all the nations the good news has to be preached first..................working inline with Jehovah and his purpose for the earth is the way to go . and yes i do believe that Jehovah and Jesus christ are working through a channel of people on the earth matthew 24;45-47 and great blessings are being dished out to them . so this visible part of Jehovahs people is the one to stay close to . Jehovah always uses people on the earth to do his will ,and yes it is Jehovahs witnesses. being instructed by Jehovah leads to great blessings . taste and see that Jehovah is good.
The thing that Isaiah the son of Amoz visioned concerning Judah and Jerusalem: And it must occur in the final part of the days that the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, and it will certainly be lifted up above the hills; and to it all the nations must stream."—Isaiah 2:1, 2. yes , a great crowd from all nations are streaming to this elavated worship, yes many things are being fullfilled right now in this time of the end . its great to be instructed in pure worship rather than manmade doctrines not based on the bible.

[17th Angel]

Oh some more watchtower.org! Sweet! Hey... Check this...

What Do They Believe? - Jehovah's Witnesses Official Web Site From your watchtower.org... Go down to the "rules" of the JW.... See that grid? Around about the 11th from bottom rule? What do you make of that Mee?

[mee]

Originally Posted by Pico

If you don't believe in "manmande" doctrines, what do you say the Holy Spirit is? And since we're on teh subject why do we baptise in the name of "the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit?"

the holy spirit is GODS ACTIVE FORCE and when something has got the active force of God behind it great wonders are acheived.
God’s holy spirit is his invisible active force. (Genesis 1:2) yes the father Jehovah ,Psalm 83;18 is the Almighty , and his son Jesus has been given great aurthority

(Philippians 2:9) For this very reason also God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every [other] name,

(Revelation 19:16) And upon his outer garment, even upon his thigh, he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords...................so knowing just who these ones are is what it is all about.

[mee]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Oh some more watchtower.org! Sweet! Hey... Check this...

What Do They Believe? - Jehovah's Witnesses Official Web Site From your watchtower.org... Go down to the "rules" of the JW.... See that grid? Around about the 11th from bottom rule? What do you make of that Mee?

i am glad to say that what i say is based on the true teachings of the bible. and yes true teachings are most certainly coming out of this elavated worship of Jehovah , its good to see that you are making use of the official site of Jehovahs witnesses.
forming a religious alliance with any one on here is not what i am doing ,i am talking about the goodnews of the kingdom . but i know where the good healthy food is coming from matthew 24;45-47 .and my aim is to go along with those faithful ones would you say that i am taking on the teachings of the trinity ,hellfire, ect, ect, of mainstream christianity . i think you will find that my alliance is quite far away from manmade doctines that are not bible based. and i dont need to ask anyone on here for help in a spiritual way because i am full to the brim with lots of good spiritual food and it all comes from the faithful ones that Jesus is feeding matthew 24-45-47 talking with other people is not a banned thing , that is why we go from door to door with the good news , we are talking to people from all sorts of different faiths, there is nothing wrong in that . but as the official Jehovahs witness site mentioned , i would not form an alliance with other faiths i dont need to i am well feed in a spiritual way.

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by mee

i am glad to say that i most certainly do read and take on board the watchtower mag because it is a very good mag that always leads me in the right direction , ...NEW WORLD TRANSLATION BIBLE published byJehovahs witnesses has put the name of God back into its rightfull place nearly 7,000 times, because that is where it should be . That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah,

Originally Posted by mee

You alone are the Most High over all the earth.psalm 83;18 yes the watchtower mag is not the bible , it is very good reading material that leads us to the bible. so dont think that the mag is added on to the bible , it is to exult Jehovah God as sovereign of the universe. and in this time of the end Jesus is using a channel to get the job done and he is feeding that channel with lots of tasty spiritual food matthew 24;45-47 yum yum

Good. I am glad I wasn’t off in my assessment. Where does the watchtower lead you that the rich and fulfilling history of Christianity doesn’t? Those provisions and blessings are to everyone that confesses Jesus Christ as Lord, not just your cult members. Have you ever thought of watching Bible prophecy unfold before your own eyes. Without a watchtower tint? I realize that guidance is needed, but have you ever objectively considered another view?
Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with fools which have not profited those who have been occupied with them.
Acts 8:9

ps: you tout the NLT because they changed all of the varied names of God to “Jehovah”? hmmm…. I can tell you put lots of thought in that line of reasoning.

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

no fun eh?

Yeah! I was! Whatcha going to do aboot it!

This is the internet, I can do whatever I want.

[pattimax]

BTW- grow up.

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Oh some more watchtower.org! Sweet! Hey... Check this...

What Do They Believe? - Jehovah's Witnesses Official Web Site From your watchtower.org... Go down to the "rules" of the JW.... See that grid? Around about the 11th from bottom rule? What do you make of that Mee?

What is your definition of "interfaith"?

[mee]

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Good. I am glad I wasn’t off in my assessment. Where does the watchtower lead you that the rich and fulfilling history of Christianity doesn’t? ......... the watchtower points to the bible , i am sad to say that mainstream leads to manmade doctrines and not to bible teachings ,that is why i left the mainstream as many others from all nations have done. revelation 7;9-10 at last i have found people who are doing the will of God and not just claiming to be . it is very sad that many have been misled down through time to believe doctrines of men instead of true bible teachings. but at the end of the day the bible did foretell this great apostacy so it was only to be expected. but now in this time of the end true knowledge has become abundant and the prophecies concerning Jesus rightful kingship are now well established and moving ever forward now is the time to get out of all false religion not just christian religions that teach untruths, but all false religion , that is what Jehovahs people have done ,.... Babylon the great...... revelation 18;4 is not the place for Gods people , that is why we are out of there. we are told to get out so that we do not suffer , because BABYLON THE GREAT is the world empire of false religion . now is the time to take to heart what the prophecy in revelation is telling Gods people . being on the right side is the thing to do .
The great day of Jehovah is near. It is near, and there is a hurrying [of it] very much. zepheniah 1;14 there is only one place to be in this time of the end and that is with Jehovah and Jesus christ.
seek Jehovah, all YOU meek ones of the earth, who have practiced His own judicial decision. Seek righteousness, seek meekness. Probably YOU may be concealed in the day of Jehovah’s anger. zepheniah 2;3 it makes no difference if people do not believe that Jesus has a people on the earth doing his will. Jehovahs day will not be late the wise thing to do is to feed from the channel that Jesus is using matthew 24;45-47 the bible always comes true and NOW in this time of the end the channel that Jesus is using is progressing in a marvoulous way.
And as for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of [the] end. Many will rove about, and the [true] knowledge will become abundant."daniel 12;4 thrilling times indeed , dont be misled to dismiss the right channel it means our life and it is put there for our benefit matthew 24;45-47 humility works wonders. but being misled by religious leaders that lead people away from the right channel will only lead to our destruction.
This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. John 17;3 down through time satan is the one that has influenced the world to put the true God Jehovah into the background ,even removing that great name from the bible, but now in this time of the end Jehovah will magnify his great name in more ways than one . i know whos side i want to be on ... Jehovahs
and his reigning son Jesus christ .Daniel 2;44 daniel 7;13-14 my symbolic palm branch is in myhand to welcome Jesus as a reigning king in the heavenly Kingdom goverment . revelation 7;9-10 along with a great crowd of others from all nations . its the way to go , there is no salvation in any one else. using the channel that Jesus is feeding leads to everlasting life . and the food is very good indeed it is all bible based good food .... nice sorry about the large writing i really wasnt shouting it was left on large print opps

[mee]

Originally Posted by pattimax

Those provisions and blessings are to everyone Have you ever thought of watching Bible prophecy unfold before your own eyes. I realize that guidance is needed, but have you ever objectively considered another view?
Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines.

ps: you tout the NLT

yes ,as you say the provisions and blessing are for everyone , if they choose to partake of them. and yes bible prophecy most certainly is unfolding before my eyes , we are living in thrilling times indeed. and yes i also agree that guidance is needed thats why i make use of the channel Jesus is using matthew 24;45-47 and yes i have in the past considered another way, thats why i am now with the right channel and nolonger on the broad road that leads only to destruction. i am on the narrow road that leads to life. and i am glad to say that i am no longer carried about with various manmade doctines which mainstream of christendom have taken on board. i am out of there . tell me what is the NLT ?

[mee]

Originally Posted by pattimax

What is your definition of "interfaith"?

an act of interfaith is that of sharing in worship or of having spiritual communion with other religious organizations
Although I do not feel superior to those who profess other faiths, I avoid with getting drawn into their worship.

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by mee

yes ,as you say the provisions and blessing are for everyone , if they choose to partake of them. and yes bible prophecy most certainly is unfolding before my eyes , we are living in thrilling times indeed. and yes i also agree that guidance is needed thats why i make use of the channel Jesus is using matthew 24;45-47 and yes i have in the past considered another way, thats why i am now with the right channel and nolonger on the broad road that leads only to destruction. i am on the narrow road that leads to life. and i am glad to say that i am no longer carried about with various manmade doctines which mainstream of christendom have taken on board. i am out of there . tell me what is the NLT ?

Your path is not narrow. Unfortunately, you cannot see that.

The NLT is the translation you use that is questionable at best.

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by mee

an act of interfaith is that of sharing in worship or of having spiritual communion with other religious organizations
Although I do not feel superior to those who profess other faiths, I avoid with getting drawn into their worship.

Tell 17th.

[Dondi]

Originally Posted by pattimax

Your path is not narrow. Unfortunately, you cannot see that.

The NLT is the translation you use that is questionable at best.

I think you have confused NLT (New Living Translation) with NWT (New World Translation).

[mee]

Originally Posted by pattimax

Your path is not narrow. Unfortunately, you cannot see that.

The NLT is the translation you use that is questionable at best.

At the inception of Christianity, there were two ways available to those espousing that unpopular faith—hold to the uncompromising teachings and principles of Christ and the Scriptures or gravitate toward the wide and easygoing path of compromise with the world of that time. As we can see, the history of the first 400 years shows which path the majority eventually chose.
i dont know about the NLT only the NWT