Debating JW faith

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by Dondi

I think you have confused NLT (New Living Translation) with NWT (New World Translation).

Oops, Thank you.
Mee, what he said. Sorry.

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by mee

At the inception of Christianity, there were two ways available to those espousing that unpopular faith—hold to the uncompromising teachings and principles of Christ and the Scriptures or gravitate toward the wide and easygoing path of compromise with the world of that time. As we can see, the history of the first 400 years shows which path the majority eventually chose.

Founded by Charles Taze Russell (born 1852), a former Congregationalist. Given the name Jehovah's Witnesses in 1931, to differentiate from the then "Watchtower" organization. Originally called the Dawn Bible Students and the Laymen's Home Missionary Movement.

Russell started out as a manager of several men's furnishing stores, and was known to hate organized religions. If fact most of his life was spent denouncing them.

At the age of 18 Russell organized a bible class in Pittsburgh, which he was elected as Pastor of in 1876. He founded the "Herald of the Morning" Magazine (1879), which turned into today's "Watchtower". Russell it seems was more interested in money making than his "Flock's" faith, charging a $1.00 a pound for his "Miracle Wheat", which the US government proved was of lower quality than the standard wheat available. His wife left him because of his questionable ethics, and he balked on paying her alimony, until once again the governement (courts) had to step in.

Today the Jehovah's Witnesses corporation "Zion's Watch Tower Tract Society", makes a great deal of money selling food, wood for furniture and other items of sustanence, as well as running a Bible School, "Gilead" and other enterprises.

The group is noted for failed prophecies of the end of the world (the last one in 1975), caused the group to lose tens of thousands of members.

Their belief system is based on Arius of Alexandria (336 AD), and profess that Jehovah is God's only true name, God is not a Trinity, the Trinity is a pagan idea, Jesus is not God, Jesus is lesser than the Father, Jesus "was" Michael the Archangel, the incarnate Jesus had only one nature, Jesus died on a stake not a cross, Jesus did not complete the work of Salvation, Jesus did not physically rise from the dead, Jesus will not return at the second coming in physical form, the Holy Spirit is not a person, but a force, nor is He God, Salvation is through works, hell does not exist, there is no conscious existence after death, Annihilationsim is true, there are two peoples of God, false prophets are not recognizable, and they have the collective ability to prohecise.

Thank you.

[mee]

Originally Posted by pattimax

Founded by Charles Taze Russell (born 1852), a former Congregationalist. Given the name Jehovah's Witnesses in 1931, to differentiate from the then "Watchtower" organization. Originally called the Dawn Bible Students and the Laymen's Home Missionary Movement.

Russell started out as a manager of several men's furnishing stores, and was known to hate organized religions. If fact most of his life was spent denouncing them.

At the age of 18 Russell organized a bible class in Pittsburgh, which he was elected as Pastor of in 1876. He founded the "Herald of the Morning" Magazine (1879), which turned into today's "Watchtower". Russell it seems was more interested in money making than his "Flock's" faith, charging a $1.00 a pound for his "Miracle Wheat", which the US government proved was of lower quality than the standard wheat available. His wife left him because of his questionable ethics, and he balked on paying her alimony, until once again the governement (courts) had to step in.

Today the Jehovah's Witnesses corporation "Zion's Watch Tower Tract Society", makes a great deal of money selling food, wood for furniture and other items of sustanence, as well as running a Bible School, "Gilead" and other enterprises.

The group is noted for failed prophecies of the end of the world (the last one in 1975), caused the group to lose tens of thousands of members.

Their belief system is based on Arius of Alexandria (336 AD), and profess that Jehovah is God's only true name, God is not a Trinity, the Trinity is a pagan idea, Jesus is not God, Jesus is lesser than the Father, Jesus "was" Michael the Archangel, the incarnate Jesus had only one nature, Jesus died on a stake not a cross, Jesus did not complete the work of Salvation, Jesus did not physically rise from the dead, Jesus will not return at the second coming in physical form, the Holy Spirit is not a person, but a force, nor is He God, Salvation is through works, hell does not exist, there is no conscious existence after death, Annihilationsim is true, there are two peoples of God, false prophets are not recognizable, and they have the collective ability to prohecise.

Thank you.

its amazing how those who are after truth ,can be used by the almighty to accomplish his purpose. and progressive truth goes on. here is a good link about the modern day Jehovahs witnessesTheir Modern Development and Growth

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by mee

its amazing how those who are after truth ,can be used by the almighty to accomplish his purpose. and progressive truth goes on. here is a good link about the modern day Jehovahs witnessesTheir Modern Development and Growth

Good link?? Looks like more WT propaganda.

[Dor]

Hmm so much to say.

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by Dor

Hmm so much to say.

Sometimes. Are you referring to short answers? I notice that it has all been said, and most of it has been said fairly well.

[mee]

Originally Posted by pattimax

Good link?? Looks like more WT propaganda.

yes it is a good link , and the official site is where we can find the truth , rather than propaganda from others.

[mee]

Jesus said No man has ascended into heaven but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man."—John 3:13.

Therefore, according to Jesus’ own words, no man had gone to heaven for all those 4,000 years of human history down until his day.

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by mee

yes it is a good link , and the official site is where we can find the truth , rather than propaganda from others.

So sad. I am very,very sorry they have you so programmed. How long have you been a JW and where was your starting point?

[Quahom1]

Moved the posts to a seperate thread. However, if the JWs complain, this thread will be removed.

v/r

Joshua

[BlaznFattyz]

Yahweh or "Jehovah" is used for both God the Father and of God the Son. Regardless of whether it is misinterpreted or misunderstood, the fact remains.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

Yahweh or "Jehovah" is used for both God the Father and of God the Son. Regardless of whether it is misinterpreted or misunderstood, the fact remains.

True.

[bananabrain]

and the vowel points are from the word "le-'olam", meaning "eternal" or "forever". so actually, it is a rather large mistake by the j-wits to suggest that that is the only real Name. but then again, i don't know what i'm supposed to expect...

b'shalom

bananabrain

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by bananabrain

and the vowel points are from the word "le-'olam", meaning "eternal" or "forever". so actually, it is a rather large mistake by the j-wits to suggest that that is the only real Name...

True.

[Dondi]

How can JWs say that Jesus didn't really rise from the dead physically. When He appeared to His disciples after the Resurrection, He had Thomas reach in and feel the nailprints on His hands and the spear thrust on His side (John 20:27-28), to which Thomas exclaimed, "My LORD and my God!". Then another occasion, the disciples thought they had seen a spirit, but Jesus assured them that He had flesh and bones, stating, "for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have". Furthermore to prove it, He even ate fish and honeycomb with them (Luke 24:39-43)

Frankly, I don't know how one gets around the fact that, according to the scriptures, Jesus was raised physically.