Debating JW faith - Page 6

pattimax · 03-31-2007, 04:13 AM

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dont feel sorry for me, i am glad that my mind has been washed clean of all the false religious doctrines that used to be in there . but now it is full of pure teachings based on Gods word the bible ...nice....

I believe the term is "transform your mind", not brain-washing.

pattimax · 03-31-2007, 12:54 PM

Oh and Charles Taze Russell said that if you read the Bible
and did NOT read his books you would bein the dark in 2 years.
sidenote: The NWT didn't exist at that time.

Seeker_of_truth · 03-31-2007, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by pattimax

Jehovah's Witnesses are a misinformed cult.

Do you say that because they dont follow the same creed or interpretation as you?

mee · 03-31-2007, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by pattimax

Oh and Charles Taze Russell said that if you read the Bible
and did NOT read his books you would bein the dark in 2 years.
sidenote: The NWT didn't exist at that time.

progression has certainly worked wonders and still does .... nice

BlaznFattyz · 03-31-2007, 07:10 PM

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progression has certainly worked wonders and still does .... nice

in regards to prophecy there is no progression. it is either 100% correct or it is not. when the jw's ventured into prophecy and were wrong (numerous times), they lost their credibility as any kind of "channel". there is no progression in that respect, sorry.

pattimax · 03-31-2007, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Seeker_of_truth

Do you say that because they dont follow the same creed or interpretation as you?

No, they do not follow the same creed or interpretation as Christians that are not in their cult. It is not about me.

pattimax · 03-31-2007, 08:50 PM

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progression has certainly worked wonders and still does .... nice

Do you still have to work out your salvation door-to-door?

mee · 03-31-2007, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

in regards to prophecy there is no progression. it is either 100% correct or it is not. when the jw's ventured into prophecy and were wrong (numerous times), they lost their credibility as any kind of "channel". there is no progression in that respect, sorry.

yes prophecy is 100% correct ,and Jesus was given the kingship of the heavenly kingdom goverment right on time in 1914 and now it is very good indeed, thrilling times indeed for those who kept awake to bible prophecy. faithfulness leads to great blessings in the time of the end
And as for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of [the] end. Many will rove about, and the [true] knowledge will become abundant." Daniel 12;4 all of that roving around the scriptures has been worth it , and now the understanding is very abundant indeed . and it is very good .
(Psalm 97:11) Light itself has flashed up for the righteous one, And rejoicing even for the ones upright in heart................ yes progression indeed.

and these ones do not keep it all to theirselves they dish it out to those who are willing to take it in matthew 24;45-47.........

mee · 03-31-2007, 11:27 PM

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Do you still have to work out your salvation door-to-door?

love for God and people moves us to tell others the wonderful Goodnews ,
And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come. matthew 24;14
Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things." matthew 28;19-20
(1 John 3:23) Indeed, this is his commandment, that we have faith in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and be loving one another, just as he gave us commandment.
(Acts 20:20) while I did not hold back from telling YOU any of the things that were profitable nor from teaching YOU publicly and from house to house............................
For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. For as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark; and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be. .............. matthew 24;37-39 Carrying on a salvation work will save lives if people listen , and one thing is for sure and that is ,no one can ever say that they have not been warned . so the answer to your question is , yes we are still doing the Lords work.

BlaznFattyz · 04-01-2007, 02:05 AM

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and Jesus was given the kingship of the heavenly kingdom goverment right on time in 1914

and that is the part that is without merit biblically and there is no credibility from the group that is spreading it. jesus was born a king and a servant, and was exhalted as a king upon resurrection, 1914 has nothing to do with jesus' kingship. if you stick with the bible and not propaganda from the wt, you cant go wrong.

Quahom1 · 04-01-2007, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by pattimax

Oh and Charles Taze Russell said that if you read the Bible
and did NOT read his books you would bein the dark in 2 years.
sidenote: The NWT didn't exist at that time.

This is true. He also declared that one did not have to read the bible, but only his works inorder to remain knowledgable...

mee · 04-01-2007, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

and that is the part that is without merit biblically and there is no credibility from the group that is spreading it. jesus was born a king and a servant, and was exhalted as a king upon resurrection, 1914 has nothing to do with jesus' kingship. if you stick with the bible and not propaganda from the wt, you cant go wrong.

Yes Gods purpose is for Jesus to be king of his heavenly kingdom goverment ISAIAH 9;6-7 Daniel 2;44 Daniel 7;13-14 and its all working out according to Gods purpose. and when Jesus was resurrected to heaven he sat at Gods right hand awaiting the time in 1914 when he would recieve his kingship from his father .yes bible prophecy is now well along and Jesus is a reigning king. yes the bible is certainly alive and moving foreward and being revealed in this time of the end Daniel 12;4 its great and thrilling times that we are living in

mee · 04-01-2007, 08:43 AM

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This is true. He also declared that one did not have to read the bible, but only his works inorder to remain knowledgable...

its good to know that the sincere bible students of the times past, were after getting back to the real bible teaching, and then Jehovah blessed them for that . sticking to true bible teaching leads to great blessings in the time of the end
(Psalm 97:11) Light itself has flashed up for the righteous one, And rejoicing even for the ones upright in heart.
(Proverbs 4:18) But the path of the righteous ones is like the bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established.
(Psalm 119:105) Your word is a lamp to my foot, And a light to my roadway.
(2 Peter 1:19) Consequently we have the prophetic word [made] more sure; and YOU are doing well in paying attention to it as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until day dawns and a daystar rises, in YOUR hearts.

Quahom1 · 04-01-2007, 08:45 AM

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Yes Gods purpose is for Jesus to be king of his heavenly kingdom goverment ISAIAH 9;6-7 Daniel 2;44 Daniel 7;13-14 and its all working out according to Gods purpose. and when Jesus was resurrected to heaven he sat at Gods right hand awaiting the time in 1914 when he would recieve his kingship from his father .yes bible prophecy is now well along and Jesus is a reigning king. yes the bible is certainly alive and moving foreward and being revealed in this time of the end Daniel 12;4 its great and thrilling times that we are living in

Interesting irony here. The year Jesus receives His kingship, all hell breaks loose on earth (WWI begins a blood bath not seen since the United States' civil war). Not in my opinion, a very good beginning to the "Prince of Peace's" reign...maybe Satan was attempting to show the new king, the power of his influence over man (and to embarrass the king, if that is possible). just a thought

v/r

Joshua

Quahom1 · 04-01-2007, 08:51 AM

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its good to know that the sincere bible students of the times past, were after getting back to the real bible teaching, and then Jehovah blessed them for that . sticking to true bible teaching leads to great blessings in the time of the end
(Psalm 97:11) Light itself has flashed up for the righteous one, And rejoicing even for the ones upright in heart.
(Proverbs 4:18) But the path of the righteous ones is like the bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established.
(Psalm 119:105) Your word is a lamp to my foot, And a light to my roadway.
(2 Peter 1:19) Consequently we have the prophetic word [made] more sure; and YOU are doing well in paying attention to it as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until day dawns and a daystar rises, in YOUR hearts.

Unfortunately, the founding father of the Jehovah's witnesses (as they are called today), apparently did not agree with your statement as noted above. Neither did his protege (Judge Rutherford I believe?). The bible according to their biographies was irrelevent. All that was needed was to read was Haye's six or seven (at the time), publications (which are called today, "The Watch Tower".

So, JWs must have moved on from their original credo and philosophy.

v/r

Joshua