Debating JW faith

[mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Interesting irony here. The year Jesus receives His kingship, all hell breaks loose on earth (WWI begins a blood bath not seen since the United States' civil war). Not in my opinion, a very good beginning to the "Prince of Peace's" reign...maybe Satan was attempting to show the new king, the power of his influence over man (and to embarrass the king, if that is possible). just a thought

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Joshua

so what did Jesus do as a reigning king , he kicked out the opposers and rebels , and that is why the earth since 1914 has got worse because those rebels are angry at being thrown out of heaven they are down here making trouble in a big way . the signs that Jesus is a reigning king are happening in a big way revelation 12;9
So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

so what did Jesus do as a reigning king , he kicked out the opposers and rebels , and that is why the earth since 1914 has got worse because those rebels are angry at being thrown out of heaven they are down here making trouble in a big way . the signs that Jesus is a reigning king are happening in a big way revelation 12;9
So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.

I agree with Revelation 12:9 (and with your obervation that Jesus removed the fallen from heaven). It's the timing I don't ken with you on. You say 1914, wherein I believe the bible overwhelmingly instructs us that this occured before the creation of Man himself.

I suppose it matters little however, since we both agree that the rebellious were removed from heaven by Jesus and his army of angels.

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joshua

[mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

I agree with Revelation 12:9 (and with your obervation that Jesus removed the fallen from heaven). It's the timing I don't ken with you on. You say 1914, wherein I believe the bible overwhelmingly instructs us that this occured before the creation of Man himself.

I suppose it matters little however, since we both agree that the rebellious were removed from heaven by Jesus and his army of angels.

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joshua

the book of revelation is for our day, we have been living in THE LORDS DAY since 1914 when Jesus was given kingship and the book of revelation means an uncovering or revealing , and its all happening in the lords day. the book of revelation is not talking about the time when man was not created , it is talking about our day, and its all happening right now .

The rider of the white horse described at Revelation 6:2 proves to be the same as the rider of the white horse portrayed at Revelation 19:11-16. In this latter reference his name is called "The Word of God," and on his thigh he wears the title "King of kings and Lord of lords." Here he is pictured as at the grand climax of his charge against his opponents, when he brings his ride to final victory at "the war of the great day of God the Almighty" on the battlefield of Har–Magedon, or Mountain of Megiddo. (Revelation 16:14-16; 19:17-21) yes things are moving ever foreward in this time of the end.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

the book of revelation is for our day, we have been living in THE LORDS DAY since 1914 when Jesus was given kingship and the book of revelation means an uncovering or revealing , and its all happening in the lords day. the book of revelation is not talking about the time when man was not created , it is talking about our day, and its all happening right now .

The rider of the white horse described at Revelation 6:2 proves to be the same as the rider of the white horse portrayed at Revelation 19:11-16. In this latter reference his name is called "The Word of God," and on his thigh he wears the title "King of kings and Lord of lords." Here he is pictured as at the grand climax of his charge against his opponents, when he brings his ride to final victory at "the war of the great day of God the Almighty" on the battlefield of Har–Magedon, or Mountain of Megiddo. (Revelation 16:14-16; 19:17-21) yes things are moving ever foreward in this time of the end.

I see it quite differently...but then I'm not looking for the end of the world to come just yet. Too distracting for what has to be accomplished here and now on earth.

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Joshua

[Dor]

Sorry Mee but the Bible does not say anything about 1914 in it at all.

Jesus kicked the unfaithful out way before 1914 or before any man period in fact.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

I see it quite differently...but then I'm not looking for the end of the world to come just yet. Too distracting for what has to be accomplished here and now on earth.

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Joshua

its not the end of the world as a planet , but the end of manmade goverments which will never bring true peace to the earth . so it will be more distracting to not keep it in view .
And in the days of those kings(human rulerships) the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms,(manmade rulerships) and it itself will stand to times indefinite; Daniel 2;44. so looking to the right focus is the way to go , rather than looking at other ways which will only distract us to the real way to peace on the earth.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Dor

Sorry Mee but the Bible does not say anything about 1914 in it at all.

Jesus kicked the unfaithful out way before 1914 or before any man period in fact.

some people accept fullfilled bible prophecy and chronology , some dont. its good to know that Jehovah and Jesus christ only use faithful ones , because they are willing to go along with the purpose of God , and then great things can be accomlished.
Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things." matthew 28;19-20
And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come. matthew 24;14
(Mark 13:10) Also, in all the nations the good news has to be preached first.
(Revelation 14:6) And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people,............ yes even the faithful angels are being used by God to accomplish his purpose . when a work has the backing of the Almighty great things can be accomplished. and its all happening . but some dont want to go along with Gods way of doing things . helping christs brothers is the thing to do then we are heading for great blessings now and on into the future . so who are christs brothers ? here they are in matthew 24;45-47 and they are very faithful ones . and Jesus is handing them ALL his belongings. what a priviledge to be blessed with Jesus belongings.As Daniel 12;3 says,
And the ones having insight will shine like the brightness of the expanse; and those who are bringing the many to righteousness, like the stars to time indefinite, even forever................. nice

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by LeoSalinas22

dag nab it, 17th! you make it out to be like your some kind of dumb surfer dude but you're pretty intelligent, man. lol

It's a tactical defense, I am sure....

Mee... Tonight is the night eh?

[I, Brian]

Originally Posted by pattimax

Christianity does not come in "brands". You are either a follower of Jesus Christ or you aren't.

Indeed, and many denominations are keen to point out all of the other denominations are ungodly.

Originally Posted by pattimax

Jehovah's Witnesses are a misinformed cult.

I hear Atheists make this point against Christianity.

Bottom line is that CR isn't the place to attack individual's beliefs - discuss, yes; challenge, no.

I don't see anything constructive in telling someone their faith is entirely wrong - and I've never seen a JW online open up to such criticisms.

Whether or not someone's beliefs are seen as aberrant or not I don't think is the important issue - it's what we can learn from each other, even if it's nothing more than making our own faith stronger.

I've made a specific effort to try and help me feel more comfortable here, and post from a more personal perspective than simple copy/pastes.

It's nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing with any faith - simply that from my own experience, because JW's try to justify their beliefs with scripture, it can make for a stimulating discussion and exploration of the Bible.

I never read so much of the Bible as when debating faith with JW's on MSN communities.

Anyway, I'm going to presume this thread has run its course and close it - any specific debate points from the thread I'm sure could find their way into new threads.