Did the Jews kill Jesus?

[Conscience]

Hey Q,

About the Law. Apostle Paul says that he would not have known sin if it wasnt for the law. In other words, the Law told him what sin was. Likewise, the Bible says that the Law is a school master of bringing a sinner to the savior. In fact, the Bible says that the Law was made to show us that we are not good, and that we need a Savior. The reason why God made the Law was to prove that we are not good, and to show us that we're guility and in need of Jesus, the Savior. This is why the Law must be preached. A person has to see that they are guilty before the Law, so they can apparicate the grace that God showed them through Jesus.

If I try to give you medicine without first convincing you of your sickness, you would not appariciate the medicine. Likewise, if you tell someone that Jesus paid the price for their sins, without showing them how they've sinned agaisnt God, they would not appariciate, or understand exactly why Jesus died on Calvery's Cross.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Conscience

Hey Q,

About the Law. Apostle Paul says that he would not have known sin if it wasnt for the law. In other words, the Law told him what sin was. Likewise, the Bible says that the Law is a school master of bringing a sinner to the savior. In fact, the Bible says that the Law was made to show us that we are not good, and that we need a Savior. The reason why God made the Law was to prove that we are not good, and to show us that we're guility and in need of Jesus, the Savior. This is why the Law must be preached. A person has to see that they are guilty before the Law, so they can apparicate the grace that God showed them through Jesus.

If I try to give you medicine without first convincing you of your sickness, you would not appariciate the medicine. Likewise, if you tell someone that Jesus paid the price for their sins, without showing them how they've sinned agaisnt God, they would not appariciate, or understand exactly why Jesus died on Calvery's Cross.

I agree with you 1000 % Conscience! However, a "Judge" with no mercy teaches not correction to the convicted, nor example to the observer. Many would quickly jump at the former, while ignoring the latter. In this case, that means using the law to judge is simply a means of putting away what is inconvenient or disruptive to society as a whole (or eliminating that which could supplant the judge's own position).

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Q

[Conscience]

I agree with you too Q! That it why we must follow Jesus' example and give the law in love. In all we do, we must remember love. This is how we will stand apart from the world. Also, we must remember that if the world hates us for the message, its OK - its to be expected. But, the word of God is sharper than any two-edge sword. When a person is left alone with his own thoughts, who knows, whats been said in love by the one witnessing, may begin to make sense.

You know?

[didymus]

Before I comment, can someone outline the law for me? I want to make sure we are speaking the same language. My thought is that the law was not put in place to show us we aren't good, rather to give us an outline or guidelines to morality. This law is instilled in all of us since our conception. We grow up and we know right from wrong. I think that if someone isn't taught this it is still in them somewhere and they will have a sense of guilt if it is violated or wholeness if it is practiced.

[Conscience]

The Law of God is his Ten Commandments. They are used as a moral mirror to bring awarness of sin to a person, that he/she may see their personal need for a Savior. Apsotle Paul tells us that the Law is used lawful when it was used for what is was created for, which is to show a person that he isnt Good, and that he needs a Savior. Paul also said that he wouldnt have known what sin was if it wasnt for the Law, and that it was his school master in bring the knowledge of sin to a person. When a person is confronted with the truth, that they are guilty of breaking God's Laws, they then can understand and appriciate the Amazing Grace that Christ showed when he died in our place.

Dont think it strange, but just like any other book, the bible has its answers to the back.

[didymus]

can you show me where Paul said that conscience? Thanks

[Conscience]

Here are a few scritpures:

Romans 3:19-20
Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

"I would not have known sin except through the law" (Romans 7:7)

Gal 3:24
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

[mosherosh]

In the Talmud accounts of the historical Jesus, Yeshu ben Pantera, they make no bones about it. They, the Jews, killed Yeshu and his five disciples, (two of which show up in the Gospel accounts) as per Jewish law by stoning then hanging Yeshu on a tree. Paul refers to this in Gal 3:13 I think.

That Jews themselves admit to killing Jesus in the usually hidden from Gentile eyes Talmud accounts is the reason we should take these accounts far more seriously than scholars have whose research careers are invested in traditional New Testament doctrines and are unwilling to face "anti-Semitism" criticism if they produce the blatantly anti-Christian Talmudic accounts and hold them up for public scrutiny. It opens a whole can of worms that Gentile Christian bible scholars do not want to touch in these days where accusations of anti-Semitism can get you fired or blacklisted. I know because I've had trouble trying to find publishers of my own Christian works which dig into the Johannine school's very anti-Pharaisic stance--Pharasic Judaism becoming the Judaism of today.

Christianity is basically anti-Judaism as an objective reading of the New Testament will show those haven't fallen for the recent Evangelical Christian Zionist cozing up to Jews and Judaism for Israel's sake.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mosherosh

In the Talmud accounts of the historical Jesus, Yeshu ben Pantera, they make no bones about it. They, the Jews, killed Yeshu and his five disciples, (two of which show up in the Gospel accounts) as per Jewish law by stoning then hanging Yeshu on a tree. Paul refers to this in Gal 3:13 I think.

That Jews themselves admit to killing Jesus in the usually hidden from Gentile eyes Talmud accounts is the reason we should take these accounts far more seriously than scholars have whose research careers are invested in traditional New Testament doctrines and are unwilling to face "anti-Semitism" criticism if they produce the blatantly anti-Christian Talmudic accounts and hold them up for public scrutiny. It opens a whole can of worms that Gentile Christian bible scholars do not want to touch in these days where accusations of anti-Semitism can get you fired or blacklisted. I know because I've had trouble trying to find publishers of my own Christian works which dig into the Johannine school's very anti-Pharaisic stance--Pharasic Judaism becoming the Judaism of today.

Christianity is basically anti-Judaism as an objective reading of the New Testament will show those haven't fallen for the recent Evangelical Christian Zionist cozing up to Jews and Judaism for Israel's sake.

With all due respect Mosh, that is horse puckey. Giving you the benefit of a doubt, I will point out once, that with out Judaism, there would be no Christianity. Furthermore, your assumption that all Christians are anti-Judaism is absolutely false.

To assume, is to make an ass out of you and me, as the saying goes.

This is a warning. Don't post this kind of material here. It isn't fair, there is no way to defend against it (it has no merit), and it defeats the purpose of this Christian part of the CR forum.

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Q

[dauer]

On hateful quotes in the Talmud is this site:

http://talmud.faithweb.com/

It deals with the lies that keep showing up on the hate sites.