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Old 09-07-2008, 07:39 PM   #301 (permalink)
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Re: Do we (Muslims, Christians and Jews) believe in the same God or not?

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The myth of hell a geological place where a loving God will send all non believers is the greatest deception of the devil himself. Think about it for one min. You earthly father who loves you very much would never send you to a place like hell where you will be tormented forever and ever. But the mainstream christian would have you believe that your heavenly Father who created you, and who has more love for you than your earthly father would send you to hell. This is only but one difference. Mainstream reiligon believes this stuff. Do they ever question?, are are thay lead blindley by their blind teachers? They just pass this stuff down from one generation to the next. Like santa clause and the easter bunnie.

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Then, I presume you are prepared to call Jesus himself, the "ultimate liar", since he was the one to made "hell's existence", as being a viable environment we did not want to be in, quite clear...
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Old 09-08-2008, 11:04 AM   #302 (permalink)
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Re: Do we (Muslims, Christians and Jews) believe in the same God or not?

IMO no.

Allah is not YAHWEH, they are not the same.
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Old 09-10-2008, 06:11 PM   #303 (permalink)
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I agree with the above yet i will say, Allah is closer to Yahweh then Jehovah is, the christians make god more humane than the god of the torah, then they attriubute original sin and hellfire.. so its kinda half half..

In acordance with monotheistic principals? yes..
In actuality? No

it is an asumption due to ibrahim.. if you go to a synagogue/mosque/church and call him brahman.. they aint impressed yet still the same god in theory,,
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Old 09-10-2008, 06:24 PM   #304 (permalink)
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PLEASE dont quote Brother Zakir on here..

the vcr arguement is SO bad.. i wish i could say to him..
the day YOU make a vcr with a soul is the day i become sunni..

God knows EVERYTHING except the knowledge of limitation..
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Old 10-01-2008, 05:36 AM   #305 (permalink)
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Re: Do we (Muslims, Christians and Jews) believe in the same God or not?

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I have just spent 2.5 hours wading through this thread - ok I am a slow reader but I also wanted to digest what has been said and not just scan it.

Gosh how very sad I feel now, yet another opportunity to discuss our shared believes rather than our differences gone. I have read so many posts telling other people what their faith and belief means in order to prove theirs wrong and yours right - how pointless and how arrogant.

Perhaps people could answer a few questions for me. The rules however are:

1. You can only answer for your own Abrahamic faith.
2. You should state what that faith is (ie the name of the religion).
3. You can only answer yes or no (no buts or apart froms)

The questions are:

1. Do you believe there is only One G-d?

2. Do you believe He is the creator of the heavens and earth?

3. Do you believe He is the creator of mankind and we will all return to Him for Him to do as He wills with us?

4. Do you believe that G-d created other non-human entities (eg angels).

5. Do you believe He has sent Messengers to different nations (ie different Prophets and Messengers to different peoples throughout human history)?

6. Do you believe that G-d wants us to live good lives, with love and compassion?

7. Do you believe that you have any G-d given right to judge what is in another persons heart?


Perhaps if people would answer these according to their faith we could find some common ground?

As a Muslim I would answer Yes to 1-6 and No for 7 ..... your turn.

(NB when I use He to refer to G-d it is simply because our language is so limited and I refuse to refer to G-d as 'it' - Islam does not give a specific gender to Allah)
I will give my answers as a Christian.

1. Yes, but it's a Plurality, an "Us", a "We", in our human comprehension, e.g. as in Genesis and the Quran.

2. Yes, They are.

3. The Children of God grow up..to become Mom and Dad.

4. What makes you think angels can't be human beings? I know a couple of angelic people..

5. Yes. Heavenly intercessors were sent out to many nations.

6. Yes, any good parent wants the best for their children.

7. What a strange question! I wouldn't presume unless it were a case of life or death.
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Old 10-01-2008, 09:43 PM   #306 (permalink)
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Re: Do we (Muslims, Christians and Jews) believe in the same God or not?

Hi! I'm a non-denominational Christian, who is also open to and interested in other faiths. I believe that we are all talking about the same God. I believe that firmly. There is much disagreement on specifics, notably the exact status of Jesus, but Christianity, Islam and Judaism have the same roots.

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Eventhough we (Muslims, Christians and jews) have many different beliefs by addressing our All-Mighty God differently , by debating on whether, or whether not Christ is son of God, etc... Is it not so, that he (our God) revealed to us his message by all three holy books (Qur'an, Gospel and Torah), Is it not so that God is 'Most mercifull', 'All-wise', 'All-knowing', 'All-mighty', etc, Is it not so that there is a last day (the day of judgement), Is it not so that there will be a torment (Hell-Fire) for the wrong doers and there will be a reward (Paradise) for the riteous.

As a Muslim my belief is that Moses, Jesus and Muhammad (P.B.U.Them) were all Prophets and messangers of God. They were all serving there and our Creator, and they were all given a message by God to reveal to mankind. My belief (as a muslim) is that, that message was simply to worship God and him alone, for he is the only one worthy of that worship, and to obey him and his messages.
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Old 10-20-2008, 01:44 AM   #307 (permalink)
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I will give my answers as a Christian.

1. Yes, but it's a Plurality, an "Us", a "We", in our human comprehension, e.g. as in Genesis and the Quran.

2. Yes, They are.

3. The Children of God grow up..to become Mom and Dad.

4. What makes you think angels can't be human beings? I know a couple of angelic people..

5. Yes. Heavenly intercessors were sent out to many nations.

6. Yes, any good parent wants the best for their children.

7. What a strange question! I wouldn't presume unless it were a case of life or death.
Thank you so much for taking the time to answer my questions Sonoman, this is where interfaith dialogue can really begin in my opinion ... when we start to discuss our shared beliefs in G-d.

May I ask if the plurality you speak of is literal (ie seperate beings) or aspects of one being.

I have met some people I would think of as having angelic qualities and of course as I believe in angels there is no reason that I may not have met one without knowing what they are if Allah had given them human form, however I believe they are biologically different to humans.
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Old 10-20-2008, 01:52 AM   #308 (permalink)
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Hi Thankyou so so so much for your post. This thread has gone off track for many recent posts.

I am a Christian and my denomination is Uniting Church in Australia which is a Potestant denomination.

Like you I would answer YES! to the first six quesrtions and NO! to the last.

This is not to say there are not significant difference between Abrahamic faiths, but I believe we believe in the same God!!!

I made this point in my first post to this thread in 2005! See Re: Do we (Muslims, Christians and Jews) believe in the same God or not?

I Hope your wonderful post puts this thread back on track and we can get back to dialogue and not diatribe!!!!

Blessings

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As salam aleykum Andrew

Sorry haven't learnt to multiquote on this new forum yet. Very well done for sticking with this thread for 3 years ... wow you have admirable patience.

I would love to discuss the significant differences, which we all know exist but perhaps by discussing them we can find ways to accept each others beliefs and see that what we all believe in is the same thing, just seen from different sides perhaps. What do you see as the main 'unpassable' differences?
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Re: Do we (Muslims, Christians and Jews) believe in the same God or not?

Hi

Please continue the discussion. I do enjoy reading this thread. I learn a lot.

There many scholar and wise people in here

I want to join it but my limited english is trouble me


To answer the subject of this thread, my opinion base on my knowledge about Islam is:

YES, because Muslims, Christians and Jews believe worshiping The Creator of everything.



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Old 01-07-2009, 05:29 AM   #310 (permalink)
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Hi

Please continue the discussion. I do enjoy reading this thread. I learn a lot.

There many scholar and wise people in here

I want to join it but my limited english is trouble me


To answer the subject of this thread, my opinion base on my knowledge about Islam is:

YES, because Muslims, Christians and Jews believe worshiping The Creator of everything.



peace
Welcome to Interfaith Jilan! You can let a slight language barrier sideline you, but then that would not do you, or us much good, now would it?

Besides, how are you going to practice your English? Just don't mind us if we correct you from time to time, on grammar, that is...

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