Does it really matter?

[enlightenment]

Originally Posted by greymare

personally, i dont like the fact that the media/public make such a big deal over public figures indescretions...... I dont want to know about it...... it is embarrassing and uncomfortable and to me, its not news.
But,
call me naive, but i do like to think that the people we put into "high" positions should be above that...... I do get disappointed when i hear about these things, yeah, they are only human, but to me, TRUST is the big issue, and obviously their "loved ones" cant trust em to keep it in their pants, i cant trust em on the big issues either......
Its probably just me....but once the trust is gone,,,,,,, its gone.

But that is merely taking a snapshot of one example, and even in that example, what we call 'infidelity' is a normal action of man, it is not a given that the person engaging in the infidelity will be any less professional in the job that we are really meant to be voting them in for, and that is to implement the manifesto of their party - no more.

Who knows the background that may have caused the man, in theory, to have sought out affection elsewhere? We don't, therefore, we are in no position to judge any 'famous' person for something like that.

I am betting that if it came to light tomorrow that Obama was actually a bisexual man, and that his wife knew about it, and was happy with that, half of the States would be out with their pitchforks.

Would it make Obama any less a President for such a thing?

Of course not.

Therefore, why would so many be prepared to use such a thing to undermine the man? The answer is simple. We condemn actions in others, which are often a reflection of our very own behaviour.

[enlightenment]

Originally Posted by bob x

It makes a great deal of difference to me whether the politician in question has made a career of trying to sic the law on people who do exactly what he does.

I did say so long as the action were not illegal.

Thanks

[enlightenment]

Originally Posted by wil

Only if you consider genocide to be of high moral character. We do need to look at the whole picture yes? And yes our Presidency is littered with folks who had affairs in the whitehouse. Kennedy was famous for it, and Johnson was pissed that with all his daliances that he didn't have the same rep.

But, so what?

Influential man attracts female admirers shocker?

*Shrugs*

It''s not my business what he does in the bedroom.

It is not his business what we do in ours.

[greymare]

Originally Posted by enlightenment

But that is merely taking a snapshot of one example, and even in that example, what we call 'infidelity' is a normal action of man, it is not a given that the person engaging in the infidelity will be any less professional in the job that we are really meant to be voting them in for, and that is to implement the manifesto of their party - no more.

Who knows the background that may have caused the man, in theory, to have sought out affection elsewhere? We don't, therefore, we are in no position to judge any 'famous' person for something like that.

I am betting that if it came to light tomorrow that Obama was actually a bisexual man, and that his wife knew about it, and was happy with that, half of the States would be out with their pitchforks.

Would it make Obama any less a President for such a thing?

Of course not.

Therefore, why would so many be prepared to use such a thing to undermine the man? The answer is simple. We condemn actions in others, which are often a reflection of our very own behaviour.

of course, you are right enlightenment.
His or her personal life shouldnt reflect on the job at hand.
And YES it should stay personal, i dont want to know about it.........
HOWEVER
I do not agree that infidelity is a normal action of man. (argue with me about this til you are blue in the face, i do not agree).
And with infidelity goes lying, and I cannot stomach that. And I certainly wouldnt trust this person..
Yes, i do judge, i am sorry, i am only human, and that is one of my many flaws. ( I do try to keep this in check.)
And as a reflection of my own behaviour??????? I think not.

[enlightenment]

Originally Posted by greymare

of course, you are right enlightenment.
His or her personal life shouldnt reflect on the job at hand.
And YES it should stay personal, i dont want to know about it.........
HOWEVER
I do not agree that infidelity is a normal action of man. (argue with me about this til you are blue in the face, i do not agree).
And with infidelity goes lying, and I cannot stomach that. And I certainly wouldnt trust this person..
Yes, i do judge, i am sorry, i am only human, and that is one of my many flaws. ( I do try to keep this in check.)
And as a reflection of my own behaviour??????? I think not.

I don't especially want this to turn into a thread about 'infidelity', Greymare.

However.

I shall ask you this.

If a man (or woman for that matter), remains in a marriage that he gets nothing from, be that emotional, physical, or both, is he really an honest man?

Really?


Or is he in fact lying ... to himself, and indeed, to his partner?

Going through the motions each day. Is that 'truth'? Is that noble? I for one do not think so.

Besides which, I guess, if you really wanted to, you could argue that if infidelity isn't a normal action of mankind, then neither is marriage itself.

At least the first is instinct driven, the latter is merely a concept, entirely conceived by man.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by enlightenment

Being gay does not make one less of a professional, at whatever that profession happens to be. This includes soldering.

Breaking the law while wearing the uniform does...

[enlightenment]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Breaking the law while wearing the uniform does...

Laws change. Perhaps this one should, as well? AFAIK, it is not illegal to be gay and serve in the British armed forces. If it is illegal in the US, then maybe the US should ask themselves why is it so? And if a really good reason cannot be found, then, yes, that law is redundant, and should be looked at.

Imo.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by enlightenment

Laws change. Perhaps this one should, as well? AFAIK, it is not illegal to be gay and serve in the British armed forces. If it is illegal in the US, then maybe the US should ask themselves why is it so? And if a really good reason cannot be found, then, yes, that law is redundant, and should be looked at.

Imo.

Agreed, but until then...don't break the law...

[enlightenment]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Agreed, but until then...don't break the law...

Uh huh.

But then many laws have been changed for the better, by acts of civil disobedience etc, that involved violations of the law.

All laws must be scrutnised, and if there is a law which is downright wrong, then it is the duty of each person to do whatever they are able to, to put right that law, rather than just go along with it.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by enlightenment

Uh huh.

But then many laws have been changed for the better, by acts of civil disobedience etc, that involved violations of the law.

All laws must be scrutnised, and if there is a law which is downright wrong, then it is the duty of each person to do whatever they are able to, to put right that law, rather than just go along with it.

I'm afraid the law will not be changed until the majority of the populace decides to change it.

The vocal minority is simply that, vocal, and the minority. The majority vote rules. The military does as it is told to do.

As a representitive of the people, breaking the law is not an option. It violates the trust of the voter, and the trust of the world watching.

Unless a law is a gross misrepresentation of the will of the people, it is to be upheld.

If you want to get into constitutional law, that is for another thread.

Suffice it to say, the elected and sworn in, shall carry out the letter and spirit of the law of the land, as it stands, while the people have the responsibility to change such as they see fit, not the other way around...

v/r

Q

[bob x]

Support for allowing gays to serve openly in the armed forces was 73% in the most recent poll on the subject. It has had majority support for over a decade.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by bob x

Support for allowing gays to serve openly in the armed forces was 73% in the most recent poll on the subject. It has had majority support for over a decade.

The Uniform Code of Military Justice must be changed, by the people, through Congress. That is law. Until then, the laws and regulations within shall be upheld...

btw: a poll does not take the place of a vote...

[greymare]

Originally Posted by enlightenment

I don't especially want this to turn into a thread about 'infidelity', Greymare.

However.

I shall ask you this.

If a man (or woman for that matter), remains in a marriage that he gets nothing from, be that emotional, physical, or both, is he really an honest man?

Really?


Or is he in fact lying ... to himself, and indeed, to his partner?

Going through the motions each day. Is that 'truth'? Is that noble? I for one do not think so.

Besides which, I guess, if you really wanted to, you could argue that if infidelity isn't a normal action of mankind, then neither is marriage itself.

At least the first is instinct driven, the latter is merely a concept, entirely conceived by man.

a little off topic, but
if man or woman find themselves in this situation then there is much to work on before infidelity. How about, communication, councelling, or if things cant work.........divorce.
a promise is a promise, a man or woman are as good as their word.
I expect no less, and neither should you or anyone else.
this is my opinion.

[enlightenment]

Originally Posted by greymare

a little off topic, but
if man or woman find themselves in this situation then there is much to work on before infidelity. How about, communication, councelling, or if things cant work.........divorce.
a promise is a promise, a man or woman are as good as their word.
I expect no less, and neither should you or anyone else.
this is my opinion.

And very entitled to it you are.

Anyway, I think I will keep my life uncomplicated by just aiming to have politicians who are better informed. Whatever they do in their private life, is pretty much their business. I am not their judge. And neither are they mine.

[enlightenment]

Over 250 'views', yet a mere six votes?

Bah!