Does it really matter? - Page 4

Tao_Equus · 12-08-2008, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by wil

I love the hard wired into us. "Honey, I'm a man, what do you expect?"

It is not just guys. 10% of children do not have the genes of their stated fathers. These 10% mean a lot of women are having affairs too. I could elaborate with my own personal experiences and theories I developed through them. But I will leave it with the statement that my personal belief is over 50% of women would be unfaithful if given the opportunity and that of course rises to 95+% in men.

tao

enlightenment · 12-08-2008, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by wil

If you can't keep it in your pants, if that excitement leads you to break your marriage vows, how can I expect you to keep your vows to my country??

I honestly fail to see any connection between the two examples cited.

Sorry.

Nick_A · 12-08-2008, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by enlightenment

I honestly fail to see any connection between the two examples cited.

Sorry.

The question here is how you define charcter. Does character include practicing what you preach? If so, then there is a connection In these times character is often defined more by what one says and external appearance rather than what they do

enlightenment · 12-08-2008, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick_A

The question here is how you define charcter. Does character include practicing what you preach? If so, then there is a connection In these times character is often defined more by what one says and external appearance rather than what they do

It should do.

But then I have yet to hear a political leader saying 'People, do not, even if you are utterly miserable, and the marriage/partnership utterly dead, seek someone else. Better to be miserable and of 'charachter', people.

When they start telling us that, sure, they will have to live by those standards, such as they are.

On that same theme, leaders and politicians are forever denouncing murder, violence, and fighting, while they endorse it themselves.

I would say sanctioning murder, violence, and fighting, is far more serious that someone's personal life.

I could be wrong.

wil · 12-08-2008, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by enlightenment

I honestly fail to see any connection between the two examples cited.

Sorry.

So you think one who would lie, cheat to their spouse that they live with would treat the voters differently??

Tis obvious, it matters to me, it doesn't matter to you.

enlightenment · 12-09-2008, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by wil

So you think one who would lie, cheat to their spouse that they live with would treat the voters differently??

Tis obvious, it matters to me, it doesn't matter to you.

In answer to your first question, Wil, no I do not think it follows that if a man (or woman, for that matter), had an affair, then it would mean that they would be any more/less likely to deceive the voters. Most probably it would figure out about the same. There have been many leaders, too long a list to mention, who were (as far as we know), completely 'faithful' to their partners, yet, were, as time has shown, among the most murdering, cruel, lying and manipulative people in history. Am I wrong about that? I don't think I am.

Additionally, you seem to have become fixed on this one aspect, it seems very personal to you. Perhaps you have been the one cheated on, in a past relationship, or some such thing..?

Would it bother you if a potential political leader was gay?

Would it bother you if a potential political leader had chosen never to marry, but chose to have different partners, instead?

Would it matter to you if a potential leader had no desire to pledge their allegiance to a (most likely), fictional concept of a supernatural god, who saw over all things?

See, none of these things matter to me, and they most certainly do not matter more than if the person in question just happened to be an excellent diplomat and leader.

Here's a question for you.

I am not sure what you do for a living, if anything.

It matters not.

Let us say that you were a recruiter for a major company.

A senior positon comes up, and it is your remit to go find the best qualified person to fill it.

During the interviews that follow, would you ask the candidates about their personal life?

Would you ask if, during their life, they had ever had an affair, or left someone for someone else?

Would you ask if they were gay?

Would you ask if they were religous?

How far would you go, delving into their personal life?

I would suggest that not only would you have no right to ask such things, but that if you attempted to do so, then you might very well find yourself in trouble with the people that had employed YOU, and posssbily the courts, as well. There is a word for it - discrimination. Do you discriminate, Wil?

wil · 12-09-2008, 03:36 PM

Namaste Enlightenment,

Funny, I don't know why I answer your posts if you don't read the answers and then proceed to ask the same questions over again.

Again, you believe lying doesn't speak to character, I believe it does. We have differences, it appears I wouldn't vote or hire you either.

Yes I discriminate. Yes, when I vote for folks to put in office I discriminate. Yes if I were to hire people to work for me I would discriminate. Heck, when I order off a menu or decide what temperature I want my shower water I DISCRIMINATE!!

I have every right to. Now I don't have the right to discriminate based on race, gender, religion, etc. But I sure can discrimate based on whether you are a lying cheating low moral character and based on my determination can decide not to let you join my association or hire you or vote for you or marry you or associate with you.

Or I can choose to give you a chance...my choice.

Funny thing happened on the way to the Forum...just now headline news the Gov of Illinois trying to sell Obama's senate seat.

ps. I'd not vote or hire this guy or marry this guy.

Tao_Equus · 12-09-2008, 04:21 PM

This gives me an idea for an anonymous poll!! (forgive the pun

)

tao

Tao_Equus · 12-09-2008, 11:45 PM

This was in news and sort of relevant to my earlier point:
BBC NEWS | Health | Intelligent 'have better sperm'

enlightenment · 12-10-2008, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by wil

Again, you believe lying doesn't speak to charactery.

At no time did I ever state that.

enlightenment · 12-10-2008, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

This gives me an idea for an anonymous poll!! (forgive the pun

)

tao

Really?

Link..?

wil · 12-10-2008, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by enlightenment

At no time did I ever state that.

Interesting, yet I said charactery someplace??

Ok so then you don't feel that adultery is lying then?

Or that adultery does speak to character but you don't care?

Call me confused.

Tao_Equus · 12-10-2008, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by enlightenment

Really?

Link..?

Sex Poll mk2

enlightenment · 12-10-2008, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by wil

Interesting, yet I said charactery someplace??

Ok so then you don't feel that adultery is lying then?

Or that adultery does speak to character but you don't care?

Call me confused.

Okay.

Hello Mr Confused -

Essentially, imo, you see things in a very black and white manner. Fair enough. I don't see things as black and white. Which is also fair enough.

To be honest, Wil, I kinda feel that you and I are just going to go around in circles with this.

When we keep going around in circles, know what happens - we both end up very dizzy.