Does time exist? Can we travel it?

[flowperson]

Sending brain waves forward or backward would be much simpler and more energy efficient. Besides, our material bodies could not take the physical stress of doing things like jumping into black holes. The film Contact implies such things, even though the fiction it is based upon, Carl Sagan's, fills our senses with grand looking machinery, and improbable physics.

flow....

[AletheiaRivers]

My favorite movie.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by flowperson

Sending brain waves forward or backward would be much simpler and more energy efficient. Besides, our material bodies could not take the physical stress of doing things like jumping into black holes. The film Contact implies such things, even though the fiction it is based upon, Carl Sagan's, fills our senses with grand looking machinery, and improbable physics.

flow....

Not quite correct. True, the "carrier" (signal) may be able to go forward or backward in time, according to theories, but the media, or message would be gone. Of course this is based on current knowledge...but who knows?

v/r

Q

[flowperson]

To quote a favorite radio program from my childhood, " Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men ?...The Shadow knows."

If I ever find a guy named LaMont Cranston, I'm running him for president.

Oh...I forgot the issue at hand. Current theories aside, viable messages are possible if they flow from an undetermined future, eh ? Could be that's what Jesus' visit was all about, not to mention the cascade of stories regarding his visit that we all are still puzzling over. The same, of course, could be said of Muhammed, pbuh. And myriads of other "messengers" that we all know about, and probably some that we'll never know of because they were silenced somehow and their messages eliminated by "powers that be".

flow....

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by flowperson

To quote a favorite radio program from my childhood, " Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men ?...The Shadow knows."

If I ever find a guy named LaMont Cranston, I'm running him for president.

Oh...I forgot the issue at hand. Current theories aside, viable messages are possible if they flow from an undetermined future, eh ? Could be that's what Jesus' visit was all about, not to mention the cascade of stories regarding his visit that we all are still puzzling over. The same, of course, could be said of Muhammed, pbuh. And myriads of other "messengers" that we all know about, and probably some that we'll never know of because they were silenced somehow and their messages eliminated by "powers that be".

flow....

What were you saying?... not nice to be not nice.

[flowperson]

Q

If you took something the wrong way regarding my LaMont Cranston reference, it was not specified for you. I meant that as a joke concerning our realities in general.

We are all composed of shades of light and darkness. And that's what's also involved in the receiving of "messages" from the beyond. I ignore most of them. That comes from lots of experience. But some of them won't leave me alone emotionally and then I must act on them. That's when and how I know G-d is talking to me,.

An easy yoke with some difficult outcomes sometimes.

But it is my life and I value it, much of the time.

flow....

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by flowperson

Q

If you took something the wrong way regarding my LaMont Cranston reference, it was not specified for you. I meant that as a joke concerning our realities in general.

flow....

Yup. Agreed. Nope, no offense taken.

v/r

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[YO-ELEVEN-11]

Time does exsist, but is highly "relative".

Also traveling it is subjective to numerous variables.

When the sun stopped for Joshua in the old testament during his battle did time stop then? Did the rest of the planet go on while they battled?

Example: When you go to sleep, does time go on for everyone else and stop for you, and when you wake up you are put back in flow by being moved forward to get in step with everyone else.

The reason I say this is because, some times, when I wake up, I feel as if my body is out of "sync" if you will and is being jolted forward. Has anyone else ever had this feeling of being pulled forward?

[flowperson]

Research has shown that no definitive boundary exists between the states of sleep and wakefulness. The process is best described as an immersion into and emergence out of some altered state of being which allows us to recover from the stresses of daily exertions.

In other words they lie on a spectrum or continuum of states of being for your brain. The experience of sleep and being awake can have different meanings for different people. Many experience out-of-body episodes on the boundary zone between sleep and awake. Maybe that's what you're experiencing to a degree. In my case I am aware that my senses snap into being on different timelines. For instance I am usually visually aware of my surroundings upon opening my eyes before it is possibile for my brain to register the fact that I can hear anything.

Good question. Keep asking them.

flow....

[YO-ELEVEN-11]

Originally Posted by flowperson

Research has shown that no definitive boundary exists between the states of sleep and wakefulness. The process is best described as an immersion into and emergence out of some altered state of being which allows us to recover from the stresses of daily exertions.

In other words they lie on a spectrum or continuum of states of being for your brain. The experience of sleep and being awake can have different meanings for different people. Many experience out-of-body episodes on the boundary zone between sleep and awake. Maybe that's what you're experiencing to a degree. In my case I am aware that my senses snap into being on different timelines. For instance I am usually visually aware of my surroundings upon opening my eyes before it is possibile for my brain to register the fact that I can hear anything.

Good question. Keep asking them.

flow....

Yes, that is pretty much how it feels, like a P.C. coming online. Sometimes hearing comes in and then the other senses are pulled in that direction.

What about if the sun stops or the earth stops rotating. Would that be considered as having time stop?

[flowperson]

Originally Posted by YO-ELEVEN-11

Yes, that is pretty much how it feels, like a P.C. coming online. Sometimes hearing comes in and then the other senses are pulled in that direction.

What about if the sun stops or the earth stops rotating. Would that be considered as having time stop?

Sorry it's taken so long to answer this, but I'm kind of scattershot when it somes to looking at threads.

I'm assuming that you mean if the sun stops shining and the earth stops rotating on it's axis. I believe that we'd all fall off of the earth's surface and freeze our collective butts off.

Seriously, the thermonuclear reactions that drive the sun's energy outflows have been estimated by astronomers and physicists who study such arcana to be good for another 5 billion years or so before THE lights go out. The earth spins because it's core of molten iron is spinning rapidly and is pulling the rest of earth's mass along with it. I believe that I've read that the earth's spinning is slowing down however. Scientists believe that this will never be noticeable to us to any real extent. They do say that our successors may have 25 hour days in 100 million years or so.

Now, as Einstein proved some time ago, time is inexorably bound up with space into a sort of fabric and this combination forms the basis of our relative physical realities of speed, distance, and sense of time passage. Even after we had fallen off of the earth's surface and had frozen our butts off, time would still be here imbedded in the space-time fabric reality. But without us being there to observe and measure it, it wouldn't be real to any sentient beings. Kind of like the old saw about a tree falling in the forest making noise if no one was there to hear it. The acoustic waves would be present, but without our ears to hear it, does the event even exist, except, of course in the sensory consciousness of squirrels ?

flow....

[Prober]

My take:

Lineal time does not exist. It is a creation of the ego through the illusion of memory.

Cyclical (seasonal, orbital, etc.) time does exist.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Prober

My take:

Lineal time does not exist. It is a creation of the ego through the illusion of memory.

Cyclical (seasonal, orbital, etc.) time does exist.

Last "time" I checked, radioactive decay is precise, and has no ego.

[China Cat Sunflower]

Originally Posted by flowperson

As Einstein and his contemporaries demonstrated and proved, time is an unalterable and non-separable feature of the space-time fabric that we are all imbedded in. So on one level it exists because it marks passage within the fabric. But on another level it does not exist and is relative because it is only a measurement device by which our brains are enabled to recognize change. So I voted no-yes.

But what is time "of itself", Flow? I'm trying to wrap my brain around this question. Surely Einstein isn't referring to time in the sense of a subjective measuring device, so what does it mean that time is an indespensible component of the space-time continuum? What is time in that sense?

Chris

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

But what is time "of itself", Flow? I'm trying to wrap my brain around this question. Surely Einstein isn't referring to time in the sense of a subjective measuring device, so what does it mean that time is an indespensible component of the space-time continuum? What is time in that sense?

Chris

Time is the ordering of change, in our case, it's based upon effect-following-cause, as opposed to everything happening all at once. Time is relative to motion, which demonstrates its relationship to space. The universe is supposedly expanding. One might speculate that the one-way effect-follows-cause flow of time might be tied to this, but that is only speculation.