Does time exist? Can we travel it?

Rouge47 · 11-30-2005, 03:38 PM

Oh! Oh! Oh! I just love to talk about time!!! I had an argument once with a fellow student on wether or not time exists. I think it does. He thinks it doesn't. So does time really exist? Yes. Even God says it in the Bible.

"1000 days on earth is a day in my courts."

Ooooooooooooh. Aaaaaaaaahhhh.
Time is also and infinite pattern of a substantial physical elements in which we know as past, present, and future.

Past- Time that has already happened
Present- Time that is happining
Future- Time that has yet to happen

In reality the present becomes the past as the present also becomes the future. You cannot simply pause the present. That would be unethical. (Im typing like crazy here) The future cannot be waited on because the present is already entering the future. As you read on in this post (or event the thread itself) you are already entering the future. Infact the future is what keeps us running. The future is what we look forward to. We can't just stand around and wait for it to come, because we constantly move into the future. If you were to move out of the future, where would you go? Back to the present? NOO! Because the present has already happened. You would infact be moving into the past because the future is almost like being the present. You move out of the future and go to the past. However, we all know that is physically unethical and that it cannot happen. So how can one travel the length of the time as in the length of the past? You just can't. however, we can travel the length of time as in the length of the future. Because we constantly move into the future (think of the energizer bunny, going and going and going)

Confused yet? Too bad I ain't stoppin'

Now if I were, for some odd reason, in the past, would the present still happen? Yes, because time is infinite in both directions. Only the future travels one way. The past and present can travel both. If I were in the past then the present would still happen because I would be moving, breathing, talking, eating, and so forth. The future would also happen. Remember that there can be no future with out a past or a present. If there is a past and a present then there is a future. Why is that way? Because its a pattern! Past, Present, Future, Past, Present, Future...and so on and so forth. Can we go to the future? Noo! Because once again, ethics. Not only ethics, but also we would be breaking the pattern. We would be skipping the present and the past that will happen in the present after the present passes on to become the future will no longer exist(huh?). Because we what? Disrupted the pattern and left out the past that was the present that was future(ohhh). Therefor we would be erasing time itself if we disrupt the chain of time and re-order the substantial pattern. Why? Because like I said before, No past, no present, no future. Time travel is unethical and it just cannot be done. The space-time continuim doesn't allow it.

Confused yet? Lucky break...my rists hurt. Post again here in a bit. Be scared of my brain!

PJ

*snores*

wil · 11-30-2005, 03:45 PM

Time exists because we say so, because we created it.

To that extent it is also real.

Rouge47 · 11-30-2005, 03:47 PM

True, very true. But remember, just because we created it isn't the only reason why it exists. What we created for time are subtitutes to understand it. But you can't really have a substitute without having the real one, right?

PJ

Bandit · 11-30-2005, 09:09 PM

ok. i am scared of your brain

if we dont have time then how do we know how long it takes to bake a chicken before it burns or we eat it raw?
how do we know who wins the 1/4 mile drag race?
how do we know when it is half time at the football game?

we can be late or we can be on time or we can be early.
the rings inside of trees tell time.
the shadows tell time & they travel across the surface of the earth. you can watch them & measure them.

i think there are all kinds of time & times & many different ways to see & tell time.

& here is your catch 22! :
He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.
To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

Rouge47 · 12-01-2005, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bandit

& here is your catch 22! :
He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.
To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

Interesting. Did that come from the Bible or did you come up with that? Bible right? Tell me, it had to of.

PJ

Bandit · 12-01-2005, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul James

Interesting. Did that come from the Bible or did you come up with that? Bible right? Tell me, it had to of.

PJ

yah. kjv Eccl. chapter 3.

i am not that clever to come up with that & i am not even going to try to figure out how God made everything, because i dont think it can be done.

truthseeker · 12-02-2005, 12:48 AM

Oh no, Bandit. I think humankind is coming along just fine with trying to figure out how God made everything.

truthseeker · 12-02-2005, 01:01 AM

Time, past, present, and future are a social construct. It helps us in our division processes.There are languages that do not articulate past, present, and future - possibly because it is one big picture and events that lead to another instead of something that occurred and now is obsolete.

As wil says, time exists because we created it. Can we exist without time? I believe so. Can we travel time? Yes. Not physically (wouldn't it be against physics to do that?), but spiritually; and we travel time everyday with our language construct.

Tao_Equus · 12-02-2005, 02:06 AM

Well I answered NO and YES.......not quite sure why........I just need time to figure it out..............tuo ti erugif ot emit tsuj I........yhw erus etiuq ton.......SEY dna ON derewsna I lleW

No still makes no sense.......and theres that universe where death is birth and birth is death......we are born arthritic, senile and incontinent and slowly become younger and fitter and healthier. Just when things are looking pretty peachy suddenly we start shrinking away to nothing to be sucked up and absorbed by that woman you met some years back and seemed ever so nice.

Imagine enduring all the pain of a lifetime in an instant.
Imagine feeling all the joy, fear, happiness, uncertainty, lust, sorrow etc etc etc.....all in a single instant. We cant. But we do. Its really really weird.

Time out !!

Regards

TE

Rouge47 · 12-02-2005, 02:38 PM

Yah, you're right! You make no sense! Hehe

Arizona · 12-03-2005, 04:11 PM

What if the pattern wasnt broken because our time has already happened? What if we are just exposing what already took place in the 3D state? For example, in our general way of doing things an event happens and then it is recorded. Like purchasing property. The event takes place and then it is recorded. Similarly the same thing is happening here. All these things aready took place and it is being recorded in the flesh. For example, all flesh will be saved... So all we are doing at all times anyway is living in the past. Which by your explanation is not breaking the pattern. So because it is all the past then even if we go into the future it is still technically the past. Thus the provision for time travel in any direction is met without breaking the pattern.

Make sense?

Dharmakirti · 12-19-2005, 04:49 AM

i reckon in relative terms time does exsist.....and can we travel it? of course we can...we are traveling it right now... but to go back in time...well it is possible but only by projecting your conscious mind....

Awaiting_the_fifth · 01-27-2006, 03:09 PM

I can't believe I never saw this thread before, what a great topic!

I vote with Tao Equus, No, time does not exist, but yes, we can travel through it.

My reasoning is like this. Nothing is real, nothing exists, the space time continuum is a deluded way of seeing things, only the mental continuum comes close to being real. (My evidence of this is dreams and hallucinations, things that we see and hear and feel etc, but are not real. I see, hear and feel etc, this world too, so I conclude that it is not real either.)

So space and time are not real, they are only a part of our delusion, yet we travel through them anyway. We travel foreward at a constant rate through time and we are free to move around at any rate in space.

Science is aware of 4 dimentions. Length, Width, Depth and Time. It seems illogical that we can traverse the first three at will but are so limited on the fourth.

So it is my opinion that we can travel through time any way we want, we just have to figure out how, the same way a baby learns how to move through space.

Does this make sense? It does to me but I suspect that it may not to anyone else.

Peace
@5

Mason · 01-27-2006, 06:18 PM

How could anyone vote 'No and Yes'?
If they think time doesn't exist, how can they 'travel it'?.. If it doesn't exist...hmmmm

There are some strange people out there, lol

Dondi · 02-13-2006, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Awaiting_the_fifth

I can't believe I never saw this thread before, what a great topic!

I vote with Tao Equus, No, time does not exist, but yes, we can travel through it.

My reasoning is like this. Nothing is real, nothing exists, the space time continuum is a deluded way of seeing things, only the mental continuum comes close to being real. (My evidence of this is dreams and hallucinations, things that we see and hear and feel etc, but are not real. I see, hear and feel etc, this world too, so I conclude that it is not real either.)

So space and time are not real, they are only a part of our delusion, yet we travel through them anyway. We travel foreward at a constant rate through time and we are free to move around at any rate in space.

Science is aware of 4 dimentions. Length, Width, Depth and Time. It seems illogical that we can traverse the first three at will but are so limited on the fourth.

So it is my opinion that we can travel through time any way we want, we just have to figure out how, the same way a baby learns how to move through space.

Does this make sense? It does to me but I suspect that it may not to anyone else.

Peace
@5

How do you know nothing is real? How do you base what is not real? For you to say nothing is real would imply that you have been in a state where you can tell the difference. (Why couldn't dreams and hallucinations simply be a by-product of an active mind?). By you saying nothing is real, you aren't saying much because you have no reference. Or do you?

If the physical dimensions are not real, that is in the space-time continuum, then time is not real either, according to your definition. Therefore, time travel is irrelevant. I'm rather confused when you say time doen't exist, yet we can travel through it.

If all this is an illusion, it is pretty damned convincing. My thumb really didn't slam into the car door, so therefore this excruciating pain I'm feeling is not real, so I just ought to dismiss it and go on???