Dogs

[dailogue is the best]

there is exageration in the two worlds....out of traditions, out of misinterpretion, out of ..................

[islamis4u]

It was summed up very well by DB...... No more replies to post here from my side uptil now..

[Dream]

Just curious if 'Dog' refers to outsiders? That might make sense in terms of purification, etc. The reason I'm asking, is that dog is the word used for gentile in some Bible passages, which is a usage that may go back to Abraham's time. An example would be that if you were reading the story of Moses etc. there is a person named Caleb or 'The Dog' which means 'The Gentile'. Well, maybe the same usage applies to Quran and to the Hadiths mentioned. It could mean, like, a potential convert perhaps. I don't know but am asking a question.

Originally Posted by Post 5

one states that the Angel Gabriel refused to enter the Prophets house because he had a dog inside. Another talks of Allah (swt) forgiving a prostitues sins because she used her shoe to give water to a dog dying of thirst....

Originally Posted by Post 1

A hadith supposedly states that any dog is susceptible to an attack by shaitan/a jinn because a dog is very close to human.....

[Alex P]

Dream... So that would make most muslims that follow these "rules" some kind of eastern racist nazi's lol? When it says to kill the black ones?

[Dream]

I don't know Alex. There are several possible meanings for dog. Another guess is that the term 'Dog' means Roman trained soldiers. A Roman trained soldier is not permitted to think for himself and is trained to think in absolute terms of friend or foe -- just like a dog. Such a man becomes a dog of war. A famous old English quote from Shakespeare is: "Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war!" which goes back several centuries. Maybe the first Roman soldiers that Islam encountered openly referred to themselves as dogs?

[dailogue is the best]

Originally Posted by Dream

Just curious if 'Dog' refers to outsiders? That might make sense in terms of purification, etc. The reason I'm asking, is that dog is the word used for gentile in some Bible passages, which is a usage that may go back to Abraham's time. An example would be that if you were reading the story of Moses etc. there is a person named Caleb or 'The Dog' which means 'The Gentile'. Well, maybe the same usage applies to Quran and to the Hadiths mentioned. It could mean, like, a potential convert perhaps. I don't know but am asking a question.

Salam dream,

Thank you for your ijtihad. What you have done is called Ijtihad: a new reading of the legal sources.

But as Alex P said, you are going to make Muslims racist nazis.

This reading cant serve in this place for the historical documents showed that it is meant by dogs the dogs in the literal sense, not the metaphorical one.

Thank you, dream. It was nice to enjoy your interpretation

[Dream]

Its true I have a creative streak, but Alex looks out for me.

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

He is responsible for many hadith that slander dogs and women, which are then attributed to the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) but go against the teaching of the Quran.

Originally Posted by islamis4u

May be you are doubting on the character of Sahabi?

Most certainly I am doubting his views about women when a majority of the anti-women hadith I read are narrated by him and go against the grain and teaching of the Quran, plus the life of the Prophet himself. I also find numerous hadith where Aisha (pbuh) has to correct his sayings.

Originally Posted by dailogue is the best

you are making a big mistake, MW, in accusing a Sahabi of lying concerning the prophet and his hadiths

So come stone me to death, really this attitude that mere men can do no wrong and have perfect memories, even though the hadith themselves correct him many times over, is just a little nauseating.

How can one man that spent a maximum of 3-4 years around the Prophet manage to narrate more hadith than men spending over 20 years as his close companions pu together?

Originally Posted by dailogue is the best

I agree there is somthing illogical in this hadith....but we have to check the reason so deeply, and not rush in accusing a great Sahabi of lying....

I find it incredible that even when you have my writing to quote you manage to quote me out of context and yet are happy to accept the very lengthy hadith of this man and assume they are verbatim accounts of the sayings of the Prophet .... Chinese whispers anyone?

I accused him of slander against women and dogs, not of lying per se .. isn't a bandwagon a wonderful thing!!!

Narrated Abu Hurayrah, Allah's Messenger [ peace be upon him ] said, "When your commanders are your best people, your rich men are your generous people and your affairs are conducted by mutual consultation, the surface of the earth will be better for you that its interior. But when your commanders are your worst people, your rich men are your niggardly people and your affairs are in the hands of your women, the interior of the earth will be the better for you than its surface"

Tirmidhi has classified this Hadith narrated by Abu Huraira as "Gharib" , poor. Ahmad b. Hanbal said: "Do not write these gharib Hadith because they are unacceptable, and most of them are weak" [ al-San'ani 2:409 ].

Shayk Albani declared this hadeeth da'if [ weak ] , see "Jami'i Al Tirmidhi" for Albany no. 2266

[Alex P]

Originally Posted by Dream

Its true I have a creative streak, but Alex looks out for me.

Dream your my boy, YOUR MY BOY!! :d

[dailogue is the best]

Originally Posted by Dream

Its true I have a creative streak, but Alex looks out for me.

you know Alex, he is the forum's Oscar Wilde. Most of his speech is ironical

[dailogue is the best]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

So come stone me to death

What??!! I was having no idea that the punishment of such a mistake is stoning to death. Well, I am coming lol..

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

How can one man that spent a maximum of 3-4 years around the Prophet manage to narrate more hadith than men spending over 20 years as his close companions pu together?

There are history books which state that Abu hurayra was companying the prophet Muhamed (pbuh) more than others companions (May God be blessed with them) because they were busy in other affairs, while Abu horayra was all the day with the prophet. Also, there are history documents, and testimonies that Abu hurayra had a strong memory. Furthermore, It is Abu hurayra who narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Whoever tells lies about me, let him take his place in Hell.”
(narrated by al-Bukhari, 110; Muslim, 3). Who can he lie about the Prophet after all?

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

I accused him of slander against women and dogs, not of lying per se

when you tell me that someone says so and so, while in reality that someone didnt tell so, then, what is it?

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

Narrated Abu Hurayrah, Allah's Messenger [ peace be upon him ] said, "When your commanders are your best people, your rich men are your generous people and your affairs are conducted by mutual consultation, the surface of the earth will be better for you that its interior. But when your commanders are your worst people, your rich men are your niggardly people and your affairs are in the hands of your women, the interior of the earth will be the better for you than its surface"



Tirmidhi has classified this Hadith narrated by Abu Huraira as "Gharib" , poor. Ahmad b. Hanbal said: "Do not write these gharib Hadith because they are unacceptable, and most of them are weak" [ al-San'ani 2:409 ].

Shayk Albani declared this hadeeth da'if [ weak ] , see "Jami'i Al Tirmidhi" for Albany no. 2266

It is for sure, sister that weak or gharib hadith should not be worked by as Muslim scholars had stated.

[Alex P]

Originally Posted by dailogue is the best

you know Alex, he is the forum's Oscar Wilde. Most of his speech is ironical

Dream is Oscar wilde?

Dream, jesus christ superstar... Nice... Fan of your work

[dailogue is the best]

Originally Posted by Alex P

Dream is Oscar wilde?

Dream, jesus christ superstar... Nice... Fan of your work

I meant YOU, Alex.... you are the forum's Oscar Wilde.

Your comments are short (though they say a lot), ironical,witty, and of a humour sense.

[Amica]

Salaam,

I totally agree with MuslimWoman. We must analyze anything that comes down to us and not just accept anything as truth.

Even the people with good reputation make mistakes. Remember, only God Almighty is perfect! To say that a companion did not wrong, or that it is impossible that he has any faults or never lied in his lifetime, is just plain stupid. Prophet savs was a human, so were the rest of his companions. People make mistakes.

In the Holy Qur'an it is stated that the Best Hadith is the Qur'an. Also, it is said that the Holy Qur'an is complete and detailed. I personally interpret this to mean that anything important that needed to be said and anything we must abide by, is in the Holy Book.Then why do any of us Muslims follow any other hadiths?

According to my personal reasearch, the collection of hadiths were not written during the life of our Prophet pbuh. It is because he forbade anything written down from him except what was revealed to him in the Holy Qur'an. Decades later, the first collection of hadiths were created.
Now, the Holy Qur'an is easily remembered if person repeats its ayas for a while. But other writings are hard to remember to the fullest (I speak from my own personal experience).

Now, how come Abu Huraira remembered so many hadiths and Aisha ra and other Sahabi did not? Was he somehow special? Also, his transmitted hadiths seem to have an 'answer' for almost everything a person may encounter in his/her life: from dogs to women, from this to that.

I do not hate the man, but it seems to me, Abu Huraira's hadiths are do i ng the same thing what Paul's teachings did to Christians.

I love dogs. They are such nice creatures. It is not their fault that they may become danger to humans since they are meant to be domesticated animals. A lot of times, in many countries, people mistreat these beautiful creatures and they are forced to become like beasts.

I miss my dog, Luksi. He got killed by a Serb simply because he was barking in the middle of the night. But I know that my dog will earn Heaven. I hope that I earn Heaven too so that I see him again.

[dailogue is the best]

Do you mean that we can live as Muslims without referring to the Prophet's sunnah, Amica???!!!! Is that possible??!! God says:
"So take whatever the Messenger gives you and keep away from what he forbids you." (Surah Al-Hashr 59:7)

How can we the five prayer and how to pray if we dont refer to the Prophet's sunnah?

How can we know how to do the pilgrimage if we dont refer to the Prophet's saying?

How can we know details about Zakat without refering to the Prophet's sunnah?