Door-To-Door Missionaries

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by Xavier Breath

How could anything good come out of Bethlehem?

Good point. It's just hard to wrap your mind around when you know better.

[Saltmeister]

Originally Posted by Xavier Breath

It sounds harsh, but they were, in their day, viewed as we view trailer-park dwellers today. The fringes, at best, and the bottom of the barrel at worst. How could anything good come out of Bethlehem?

Something good does come out of it when the son of a . . . trailer-park dweller starts giving us lessons about what God is like.

[mee]

Jehovahs witnesses are classed as the lowest of the low , when it comes to spiritual understanding ,but you know what they say , nothing good comes out of there .



how wrong people can be


Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? 46 Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. 47 Truly I say to YOU, He will appoint him over all his belongings. matthew 24;45-47



looking to the right channel is the way to go

[cyberpi]

Originally Posted by pattimax

Good point. It's just hard to wrap your mind around when you know better.

It is hard for me to wrap my mind around the act of claiming to know, telling people whether or not they are going to heaven. Which church is doing this evil... the JW's?

[juantoo3]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

It is hard for me to wrap my mind around the act of claiming to know, telling people whether or not they are going to heaven. Which church is doing this evil... the JW's?

Ummm, in my experience, pretty much all of them. Not just Christian "churches" either, in fact not even just "monotheist churches" either.

Pretty much every faith holds some type of "arrogance of virtue," else how could they maintain their subscription rate? How can any laity justify clinging to any faith that is not superior in its virtues over the others, whether real or perceived?

I'm not saying it is right, but I will say it is normative behavior pretty much across the board.

Hard to point one finger when three more point right back...

[mee]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

It is hard for me to wrap my mind around the act of claiming to know, telling people whether or not they are going to heaven. Which church is doing this evil... the JW's?

Jehovah God chooses those who go to heaven , and he has set the number that he wants 144,000,

And he has also made it possible for a GREAT CROWD of people from all nations to inherit the earth revelation 7;9-10. What a loving God the Almighty is. and he has revealed all about his purpose in the bible so that all people can become part of that GREATcrowd . and Jehovah has always in the past ,and in these last days used only one channel . and his son Jesus christ is feeding the faithful ones with lots of good healthy spiritual food matthew 24;45-47. i am glad to say that i have found the faithful channel and it is verrry gooood with no unfaithfulness around .

taste and see that JEHOVAH IS GOOOOD



“Oh taste and see that Jehovah is good.”—Ps. 34:8, AS.


It is to the members of the “slave” class that the righteous “sheep” have done good things.


AND THESE SHEEP ARE HELPING THE FAITHFUL ONES



‘publishing good news of something better.’—Revelation 7:9, 14.



so the question is ........ are we hindering the faithful ones or are we helping the faithful ones with the preaching of better things ?


As for me i am helping them , i am making known about better things and here is the better thing spoken of in Daniel 2;44



And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite; Daniel 2;44



and that heavenly kingdom of God has the best king reigning (Jesus christ)

And it is GOODNEWS , it is the only way to salvation .




And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come. matthew 24;14


its all happening especially in the days since 1914 When Jesus recieved kingship

[cyberpi]

mee, thank you for verifying it for me... the JW's are doing the same evil. If anyone can say how many great-great-great grand children they will personally have, or can say when and where they will personally die, or can say in what revolution the life on Earth will end, then maybe it is also their business to know and state what is really up to God and the respective individuals. People change. Those who see today might not see tomorrow. Those who do not see today might see tomorrow.

Originally Posted by juantoo3

Pretty much every faith holds some type of "arrogance of virtue," else how could they maintain their subscription rate?

Arrogance or Ignorance? What church punches 'arrogance' in the nose, but then...

Originally Posted by juantoo3

Hard to point one finger when three more point right back...

... has problem with the finger or fingers pointing back? How many fingers point in a fist? I wish that I could be so fortunate to have three or more fingers willing to point at me. Far easier to get a fist, a gun, or a moderator.

A key is... the good news is: people can change. If it were not true then it would be all for nothing.

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

It is hard for me to wrap my mind around the act of claiming to know, telling people whether or not they are going to heaven. Which church is doing this evil... the JW's?

Founded by Charles Taze Russell (born 1852), a former Congregationalist. Given the name Jehovah's Witnesses in 1931, to differentiate from the then "Watchtower" organization. Originally called the Dawn Bible Students and the Laymen's Home Missionary Movement.

Russell started out as a manager of several men's furnishing stores, and was known to hate organized religions. In fact most of his life was spent denouncing them.

At the age of 18 Russell organized a bible class in Pittsburgh, which he was elected as Pastor of in 1876. He founded the "Herald of the Morning" Magazine (1879), which turned into today's "Watchtower". Russell it seems was more interested in money making than his "Flock's" faith, charging a $1.00 a pound for his "Miracle Wheat", which the US government proved was of lower quality than the standard wheat available. His wife left him because of his questionable ethics, and he balked on paying her alimony, until once again the government (courts) had to step in.

Today the Jehovah's Witnesses corporation "Zion's Watch Tower Tract Society", makes a great deal of money selling food, wood for furniture and other items of sustenance, as well as running a Bible School, "Gilead" and other enterprises.

The group is noted for failed prophecies of the end of the world (the last one in 1975), caused the group to lose tens of thousands of members.

Their belief system is based on Arius of Alexandria (336 AD), and profess that Jehovah is God's only true name, God is not a Trinity, the Trinity is a pagan idea, Jesus is not God, Jesus is lesser than the Father, Jesus "was" Michael the Archangel, the incarnate Jesus had only one nature, Jesus died on a stake not a cross, Jesus did not complete the work of Salvation, Jesus did not physically rise from the dead, Jesus will not return at the second coming in physical form, the Holy Spirit is not a person, but a force, nor is He God, Salvation is through works, hell does not exist, there is no conscious existence after death, Annihilationism is true, there are two peoples of God, false prophets are not recognizable, and they have the collective ability to prophesize.

Try wrapping your mind around this.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

Jehovah God chooses those who go to heaven , and he has set the number that he wants 144,000,

And he has also made it possible for a GREAT CROWD of people from all nations to inherit the earth revelation 7;9-10. What a loving God the Almighty is. and he has revealed all about his purpose in the bible so that all people can become part of that GREATcrowd . and Jehovah has always in the past ,and in these last days used only one channel . and his son Jesus christ is feeding the faithful ones with lots of good healthy spiritual food matthew 24;45-47. i am glad to say that i have found the faithful channel and it is verrry gooood with no unfaithfulness around .

taste and see that JEHOVAH IS GOOOOD



“Oh taste and see that Jehovah is good.”—Ps. 34:8, AS.


It is to the members of the “slave” class that the righteous “sheep” have done good things.


AND THESE SHEEP ARE HELPING THE FAITHFUL ONES



‘publishing good news of something better.’—Revelation 7:9, 14.



so the question is ........ are we hindering the faithful ones or are we helping the faithful ones with the preaching of better things ?


As for me i am helping them , i am making known about better things and here is the better thing spoken of in Daniel 2;44



And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite; Daniel 2;44



and that heavenly kingdom of God has the best king reigning (Jesus christ)

And it is GOODNEWS , it is the only way to salvation .




And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come. matthew 24;14


its all happening especially in the days since 1914 When Jesus recieved kingship

Guess I'm one of the lucky 144,000 going to heaven, because that is what my faith says if I accept Christ. But the way I figure it, it must be 144,000 times 144,000, or about 20,000,000,000 (just about as many people as have ever lived on earth to date).

[greymare]

Pattimax, thanks for clarifying that for me. Its hard to get out of some people the information that you need without getting a whole heap of quotes. thanks again.

Q, oh well, Ill just wave to you and your lot as you ascend. im sure im not going anywhere. LOL.

[mee]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

mee, thank you for verifying it for me... the JW's are doing the same evil.

would you say that sticking to the teachings of Jesus is evil ,? because JW stick very close to what Jesus said and obey the commands of Jesus .


i do not see that as evil i see it as good . its good to know that Jesus has a faithful class that he can direct and give responsibility too matthew 24;45-47. faithfulness leads to great blessings .

[shamsery]

The activity of Christian Missionaries in Bangladesh, here is a brief but amazing description.
Every body knows that our country is an under develop and poor country.
You should not judge the country by its per capita incomes.
This economical term is misnoma.
Population of our country is around 124 million. Out of which, say 20% are Non Muslim.
More than 50% people are land less and around 60% people lives in bellow subsistence level.
Out of 80% Muslim all are by born and by chance Muslim.
Just for the cause of inheritance.
Mass education level is miserable.

Picture of India is all most same, only the difference majorities are Non Muslim and Muslims are around 20%.

My focus is on Bangladesh.
Though our people are poor and literarily ( I wish to mean illiterate) backward, having only alphabetical knowledge , just can sign the name( This way we have removed illiteracy by the help of World Bank and IMF, money was not given as aid, it was long term loan with interest with some rigid precondition) , and we claim that more than 60% people can read and write. But this not true.

It is a very brief picture and I don’t feel to go in details, I think this data is enough to understand our socio economic conditions.
We have only few cities and district towns.
There are remote village where you cannot reach within 24 hours from the capital city where I live in.
Furnishing some more data for your better understanding,

We have 6 Divisional Town, 64 District, 254 Municipality, 507 Police Station, 4484 Union, and 64,000 villages.
Total area of land 55,977 sq. miles or 147,570 sq. km.

Regarding religious fanaticism:
Hope you know that there are two countries that emerged based on Religious nationalistic slogan/ ideology, one is Pakistan and other is Israel.

Bangladesh is a country achieved its freedom based on linguistic nationalism by nature it is a secular country. We liberated our country through the war of independence widely known as freedom fight ( I am proud and happy I myself is a freedom fighter) in 1971.

Most infesting issue is this, America and Middle East gave us recognition in 1975. They were against our freedom fight and extended their support to Pakistan, though we have come out from the Pakistani colonial rule.

After independence we imposed band on all the political parties those who wish to do politics in the name of religion. The band was withdrawn after 1975 , when a Pro-American military cue took place and most interesting is this , after 1975 America and ME countries recognize us and establish diplomatic relation. We should include China also.

We have 300 seats in the parliament, in 1990 election Jamat –e- Islam got 3 seats only and gradually they spread them and in last election they got 13 seats. They are very well blessed by America and Saudi Arabia.

Just few months before six people were executed for terrorist act. They were terrorism in name of religion. All are so called Muslim.

You all are very knowledgeable person but may know Bangladesh.
I tell you how we dealt with fascism, fanaticism.

Surely we are religious but not fanatics.

Perhaps I am torturing on your patience, but you should know this facts, from 1947 to 2002 there were no communal riot, unprecedented historical evidence or fact in the history in Indo Bangla pak subcontinent .

Yes, for property, politics, heinous personal enmity mainly related with worldly affair, some incidence took place with all the faiths. You will be surprise during this span of time few thousands communal riots took place in India, the motherland (Land of origin then migrated) of Mr Sanwin25.

Back to the context though the background is important to understand.

Communication system comprising to the develop countries you can say without hesitation that we are living in primitive age.
5 to 7 % people are rich and highly corrupt.
Government official is the main patron of these groups and corrupts too.



They never bother for true religion but take the full advantage of religious faith to exploit entire nation.

Common people are apparently religious, moderate, tolerant, and harmonious though they are not equipped with theological knowledge.

Inhabitant of Bengal(Bangladeshi) never invaded any country ( There is no historical evidence from the pre historic era) but invaded by many and oppressed by good number of invaders.

After 1947 a good number of Hindu migrated to India and Muslim migrated to the then East Pakistan, present Bangladesh.

Target group for Christian Missionaries are the poor villagers.

Another example, Dhaka is a capital city, population is around 10 million.

You will not find a single Christian Missionaries knocking the door of Muslim or Hindu house , though there head office (all most)is at Dhaka.

They chose this uneducated and poor Muslims family in remote area.

Now let me tell you the tale.

In a very modest way Christian Missionaries visit those are and discuss about their social, economical, educational, hygienic problem.
When they reach to the area, good number of people, boys and girls come to meet them or to see them.

They extend their hand to this half necked boys and girls, allow them to sit beside the Christian Missionaries with affection and some time give them little sweets, school stationeries etc as gift.

They become friendly; they behave generously with the seniors and start discussion.

1st question they throw, do you believe “Injjil” (Bible).

Every Muslim believe that “Injeel” was the revelation on Prophet Issa (Pbuh) ,[Jesus(Pbuh)].

Answer come yes , he is a messenger of Allah and our prophet.

2nd Question: Do you know his mother name.
Reply comes , Why not , Maryam (Let Allah blessing on her). (There is a verse, chapter # 19 in The Holy Qur’an on her). You call Mother Merry.

3rd Question from Christian Missionaries to these foolish guys,
Do you know that Maryam was a verging mother.?
Natural reply comes, yes, believe and know.

4th Question, How many times name of Hazrat Issa (Pbuh) has mentioned in your Qur’an.
Those who know will reply or Christian Missionaries will let them know, his name has mentioned 25 times in Qur’an. ( This is fact, you can check)

They will ask , do you know that Jesus (Pbuh) gave live to dead person.
Answer obviously yes, Qur’an acknowledge

Now the question of these Christian Missionaries will take other direction, comparative study.

Question. Does Muhammad (Pbuh) have father?
Answer: Yes , and his name was Abdullah , natural human and natural birth like other common human beings.

Q. Do you know Maryam hadn’t husband how Jesus born?

Reply: Any Muslim bound say it is Allah’s miracle.(Though many modern Christian do not believe in this theory).

Next question follows: How many times name of your prophet mentioned in your Qur’an .
Those who know will reply otherwise Christian Missionaries give the data, total five times, 4 times as Muhammad and once as Ahmmad. ( This also fact, you can check Qur’an)

Next question: Did your prophet give live to a any dead person?

Natural reply , no , Muhammad (Pbuh) never gave live to any dead person.

Last and final question, Where is Muhammad?

Reply , he has expired, means dead. Like other common human being.

Christian Missionaries asked question, where is Jesus ( Pbuh) ?
Reply of the Muslim, he has not yet died, he is withdrawn by Allah (swt) to haven and will come back again.
Summary, Muhammad (Pbuh) died and Jesus (Pbuh) alive.

Christian Missionaries with smile ask them, you judge who is great?

Put this ignorants in dilemma and advice them to chose best and give them option, as a member of community they will do all the possible help.
Don’t you find it is an intelligent approach?
I appreciate this intellectual judo.

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by greymare

im sure im not going anywhere. LOL.

I wouldn't be too sure of that.

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by mee

Jehovahs witnesses are classed as the lowest of the low , ...

They are not! Get over yourself. JW's are seen as messed-up Christians.

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by shamsery

The activity of Christian Missionaries in Bangladesh, here is a brief but amazing description.

Perhaps I am torturing on your patience, ...

Definitely NOT! Interesting stuff.