Door-To-Door Missionaries

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by madeinrussia89

Would you eat a piece of pie that a stranger is giving to you on your doorstep?

Hahaha, man, maybe this stuff works in small towns, but where I'm from, that stuff does NOT fly.

they are good people with good intent... However If I offered you pie, I would suggest you respectfully decline such a nice offer... But people like Wil, harmless

[mee]

(Romans 10:15) How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent forth? Just as it is written: “How comely are the feet of those who declare good news of good things!”

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by wil

Who and where was I categorizing? Saying folks who preach fire and brimstone preach fire and brimstone? I'd be interested in hearing the whole analogy. I wouldn't say G!d, Spirit or Jesus are one dimensional, nor two outta three being two dimensional so without hearing it in its entirety I can't really comment.

It isn’t who or where, it is what. You are categorizing the message. When you hear something that isn’t in sync with the things you understand, you label it “fire and brimstone” and then toss it into the disregard file.

As for the analogy, 3 dimensions are needed for the trinity. You need a line and a square for a cube. I thought it was pretty descriptive of a fully realized life.

I guess saying you had closed mind and slanted hearing came across as harsh. Coming off that way is never my intent.

[wil]

Originally Posted by pattimax

It isn’t who or where, it is what. You are categorizing the message. When you hear something that isn’t in sync with the things you understand, you label it “fire and brimstone” and then toss it into the disregard file.

ah contrare, there is much to be gained from contemplating various preachers and their methods of controlling, coercing, enticing, and saving the wretched. I toss it not in the disregard pile, but I suppose I am guilty as charged, when someone concentrates on sinners, and hell fire and eternal damnation rather than the glory of G!d, the teachings of unconditional love and forgiveness, I do categorize them as preaching 'fire and brimstone' oh the evil me.

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by wil

ah contrare, there is much to be gained from contemplating various preachers and their methods of controlling, coercing, enticing, and saving the wretched. I toss it not in the disregard pile, but I suppose I am guilty as charged, when someone concentrates on sinners, and hell fire and eternal damnation rather than the glory of G!d, the teachings of unconditional love and forgiveness, I do categorize them as preaching 'fire and brimstone' oh the evil me.

Yes, but you see there is a danger in focusing on the nice unconditional love and forgiveness (what Christianity is all about) and meanwhile brushing aside and virtually ignoring the fact that we no longer act like God's people. Of course we need to focus on loving and forgiving others. I guess some preachers figure you already know that, they are saying things you might not know.

My nice interfaith preacher wouldn't say things like that...

[cyberpi]

Originally Posted by wil

ah contrare, there is much to be gained from contemplating various preachers and their methods of controlling, coercing, enticing, and saving the wretched. I toss it not in the disregard pile, but I suppose I am guilty as charged, when someone concentrates on sinners, and hell fire and eternal damnation rather than the glory of G!d, the teachings of unconditional love and forgiveness, I do categorize them as preaching 'fire and brimstone' oh the evil me.

Is that not the same as the equally lying salesman who paints you with praise, says to be merry and be happy, IF you follow this way? If there is a fork in the road and a sign that says heaven this way, or a sign that says hell this way... is it not the same guidance?

I submit that: the pie and the praise are different. Likewise, and I know you disagree with me: A stone and a rebuke are different. The deed and the words communicate something different.

If a person can't trust the person who makes them a pie, then what can they trust? If the words are not trusted, and a good deed is not trusted... what is left? The next door?!

[wil]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

Is that not the same as the equally lying salesman who paints you with praise, says to be merry and be happy, IF you follow this way? If there is a fork in the road and a sign that says heaven this way, or a sign that says hell this way... is it not the same guidance?

I submit that: the pie and the praise are different. Likewise, and I know you disagree with me: A stone and a rebuke are different. The deed and the words communicate differently.

If a person can't trust the person who makes them a pie, then what can they trust?

Well there is that issue that I don't believe in the an anthropomorphic critter called the devil or satan or .... and I don't believe in a G!d that is sending folks to any imaginary hell either. I can't fathom if the Jews wrote the book and don't believe in hell, how so many Christians do. I believe when Jesus said Satan get the behind me, he was referring to all those thoughts in his mind that kept him off the path. I don't believe in blame, personal responsibility for my actions and my surroundings is my path in Christ.

We don't do the saving round here, you gotta do that yourself, no chant or promise or confessional to wash away sins and sin again, and again.

The folks that come door to door or preach hell and damnation don't like that.

[cyberpi]

Originally Posted by wil

Well there is that issue that I don't believe in the an anthropomorphic critter called the devil or satan or .... and I don't believe in a G!d that is sending folks to any imaginary hell either. I can't fathom if the Jews wrote the book and don't believe in hell, how so many Christians do. I believe when Jesus said Satan get the behind me, he was referring to all those thoughts in his mind that kept him off the path. I don't believe in blame, personal responsibility for my actions and my surroundings is my path in Christ.

We don't do the saving round here, you gotta do that yourself, no chant or promise or confessional to wash away sins and sin again, and again.

The folks that come door to door or preach hell and damnation don't like that.

I agree with you mostly on the first part.

What do you do when someone sins against you or sins against your neighbor? Coming up to a door you are knocking on a stranger's door. Months later you actually get to know these people and learn that this person tells lies, this other person beats their wife and kids, and this other person trusts nobody except prostitutes. Maybe it even becomes a problem when a neighbor wants to move your fence and chop down your trees because they are blocking his view. Are you still baking them pies? Unconditional forgiveness? In your religion, how do you deal with people who sin. Ignore them? Forgive and forget? Punish them? To really forgive, you first need to have someone sin against you... what is your method with those who are closest to you, like your wife and children? Baking a pie for a stranger is easy... baking a pie for someone who killed one of your family members is forgiveness... in my book. You agree?

[wil]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

To really forgive, you first need to have someone sin against you... what is your method with those who are closest to you, like your wife and children? Baking a pie for a stranger is easy... baking a pie for someone who killed one of your family members is forgiveness... in my book. You agree?

I've experienced divorce, a sin against my children I'd say. She left for another, I was replaced, we are friends, she gets more than pie. I haven't had anyone killed, I don't expect to bring that lesson upon me. I believe I have surpassed the need by coming to grips with this lesson spiritually and mentally for it to have no need to manifest in my life physically for me to learn it. We'll see.

I look at life's issues pondering, I don't remember standing in line to sign up for this class, but I'm obviously taking it. My goal is to learn the lesson, take the test and pass in flying colors, as I do not want to have to repeat it for a failing grade. In another thread I just posted:

Tich Nat Hanh related a beautiful story about raising cabbage, and if they were not growing as they should would you yell at them, beat them, threaten to rip them out, or would you provide the water, nutrients, care so they could grow better and encourage them to produce the crop you desire?

I agree with Thay, does he answer your question as well?

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by pattimax

My nice interfaith preacher wouldn't say things like that...

This IS sarcasm.

[wil]

Originally Posted by pattimax

This IS sarcasm.

It was recognized as such. I'll have to ask if he would call himself or believes himself to be an interfaith preacher. My first inclination would be to say he wouldn't, he'd say he's an ordained Christian Reverend who respects the beliefs and traditions of other faiths. (heaven forbid (more of that sarcasm stuff).

Originally Posted by pattimax

Yes, but you see there is a danger in focusing on the nice unconditional love and forgiveness (what Christianity is all about) and meanwhile brushing aside and virtually ignoring the fact that we no longer act like God's people. Of course we need to focus on loving and forgiving others. I guess some preachers figure you already know that, they are saying things you might not know.

Was this also sarcasm? I mean if as Christians we are supposed of focus on loving and forgiving, but don't, seems to me that is where they should focus their lessons. If we are not acting like G!d's people today the method to do it is to chastise and shame? Has no one ever told these preachers you get catch more flies with honey than vinegar?

My personal opinion is it is easier to get em while they are down, beat them about the brow. It is always easier to respond in an unkind manner than forgive, Jesus brought us a challenge, I'd love it if more preachers took it on.

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by wil

It was recognized as such. I'll have to ask if he would call himself or believes himself to be an interfaith preacher. My first inclination would be to say he wouldn't, he'd say he's an ordained Christian Reverend who respects the beliefs and traditions of other faiths. (heaven forbid (more of that sarcasm stuff).Was this also sarcasm? I mean if as Christians we are supposed of focus on loving and forgiving, but don't, seems to me that is where they should focus their lessons. If we are not acting like G!d's people today the method to do it is to chastise and shame? Has no one ever told these preachers you get catch more flies with honey than vinegar?

My personal opinion is it is easier to get em while they are down, beat them about the brow. It is always easier to respond in an unkind manner than forgive, Jesus brought us a challenge, I'd love it if more preachers took it on.

I was speaking broadly. Where is disrespect? When you focus only on love, you are only getting part of the story.
Yes, a very important part, but still not the entire message.

Preachers do not catch flies. If you want to hear only nice things, I am sure you'll have no problem being accomodated. Facing the truth is not always pretty, but it is neccessary.

[madeinrussia89]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Horse puckey...you goof, but your heart isn't in it. In Vegas, it's all free, as long as you pull the one armed bandit...you and I both know that for fact.

v/r

Q

Provided that you WIN.

[madeinrussia89]

Originally Posted by pattimax

I was speaking broadly. Where is disrespect? When you focus only on love, you are only getting part of the story.
Yes, a very important part, but still not the entire message.

Love IS the message. Out of everything, that's what people SHOULD get.

[Paul IV]

Originally Posted by mee

I would say as long as it is inline with the bible and what the bible teaches then that is ok , but it depends on if the bible is the way a person wants to go .

Nice to hear what you have just said, My name is Paul IV and interested in discussing about the real issue and about the truth in the bible. Im new in this site and still learning how to go about it.