Door-To-Door Missionaries - Page 6

pattimax · 11-11-2007, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by madeinrussia89

Love IS the message. Out of everything, that's what people SHOULD get.

They NEED the love of Jesus Christ. Not the warm fuzzy all purpose love that folks seem to settle for.

I am not saying that all purpose love is not needed (I really love love, it's beautiful.) Once you get to know Jesus, it's frosting on the cake.

cyberpi · 11-11-2007, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by pattimax

They NEED the love of Jesus Christ. Not the warm fuzzy all purpose love that folks seem to settle for.

I am not saying that all purpose love is not needed (I really love love, it's beautiful.) Once you get to know Jesus, it's frosting on the cake.

When you say that you know Jesus, in your mind what does 'knowing' Jesus mean? Are you in the camp who thinks Jesus IS God?

mee · 11-11-2007, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul IV

Nice to hear what you have just said, My name is Paul IV and interested in discussing about the real issue and about the truth in the bible. Im new in this site and still learning how to go about it.

Hi, its good to find out what God requires of us , and its all in the bible . but many people are not interested in what the bible REALLY teaches us . i always think that listening to what Jesus said is the way to go.and taking in knowledge about the true God and Jesus christ is a good starting point.

This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. JOHN 17;3

(1 Timothy 6:20) O Timothy, guard what is laid up in trust with you, turning away from the empty speeches that violate what is holy and from the contradictions of the falsely called “knowledge.”

(2 Peter 3:18) No, but go on growing in the undeserved kindness and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him [be] the glory both now and to the day of eternity.

mee · 11-11-2007, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul IV

Nice to hear what you have just said, My name is Paul IV and interested in discussing about the real issue and about the truth in the bible. Im new in this site and still learning how to go about it.

What would you say is the real issue ? i would say the real issue is the great issue of sovereignty. and where we stand on that great issue .Gen. 3:1-6. and from Genesis to revelation the first ever prophecy in the bible runs through the whole theme of the bible .Genesis 3;15 is what it is all about .

Quahom1 · 11-11-2007, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by cyberpi

When you say that you know Jesus, in your mind what does 'knowing' Jesus mean? Are you in the camp who thinks Jesus IS God?

John 10:30, Jesus said, "I and My Father are one."
John 12:44-45, "Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on Me, believeth not on Me, but on Him that sent Me. And he that seeth Me seeth Him that sent Me."
John 14:8-11, "Philip saith unto Him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father. And how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in Me, He doeth the works. Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the very works' sake."
John 17:22, In prayer to His Father, Jesus said, "And the glory which Thou gavest Me I have given them, that they may be one, even as we are one."

A little tough to ignore the implication here...

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madeinrussia89 · 11-12-2007, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by pattimax

They NEED the love of Jesus Christ. Not the warm fuzzy all purpose love that folks seem to settle for.

I am not saying that all purpose love is not needed (I really love love, it's beautiful.) Once you get to know Jesus, it's frosting on the cake.

Of course I mean love of Jesus Christ (of course we need it, not sure why you are telling me that), but love of everyone else as well. That is what Jesus teaches us.

pattimax · 11-12-2007, 01:24 AM

Not everyone knows that. Stick around for a while and you will see that.
Some folks are satisfied with "one-scoop vanilla love." Doesn't matter whose it is.

cyberpi · 11-12-2007, 02:38 AM

Love is not measured by what you've received, but by what you've given, right Pattimax?

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

A little tough to ignore the implication here...

Surely our Father is in you, and you are in God... at least some?

John 3:21 BUt he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

John 17:26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

Now I could be wrong, but I'd say there is a pattern to this I in him, and him in me thing. Jesus says that I am his brother if I do our Father's will:

Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

By Jesus words, I am his brother as I do the will of God. Who here calls Jesus their brother? I am going to call Jesus my brother, along with every other person, alleged Christian or not, whether they perceive it or not, but that does the will of God.

madeinrussia89 · 11-13-2007, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by pattimax

Not everyone knows that. Stick around for a while and you will see that.
Some folks are satisfied with "one-scoop vanilla love." Doesn't matter whose it is.

Who cares, as long as they love Jesus and know that Jesus loves them, the rest will come later.

pattimax · 11-15-2007, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by madeinrussia89

Who cares, as long as they love Jesus and know that Jesus loves them, the rest will come later.

Matthew 28:18... Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

This is the love.

btw: "Who cares?" Are you a cya Christian?

pattimax · 11-15-2007, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberpi

Love is not measured by what you've received, but by what you've given, right Pattimax?

I'm not sure what you mean... care to expound?

"Knowing Jesus" is having God in your heart. (You can be at camp...)

Quahom1 · 11-15-2007, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by pattimax

Matthew 28:18... Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

This is the love.

btw: "Who cares?" Are you a cya Christian?

No, that isn't love Patti. That was an order to be carried out by the troops. It was also a promise that the high command would back them up.

Love is something totally different.

madeinrussia89 · 11-15-2007, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by pattimax

btw: "Who cares?" Are you a cya Christian?

A what Christian? I'm Orthodox.

And yes Patty, out of love for us Jesus is always with us, but if you love Jesus and know that he loves you, everything else will fall into place with prayer and repentance.

We don't need to preach the doom and gloom " this is nothing but fluffy ice cream love and you need to be taught a lesson " doctrine.

Dondi · 11-15-2007, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by madeinrussia89

A what Christian? I'm Orthodox.

And yes Patty, out of love for us Jesus is always with us, but if you love Jesus and know that he loves you, everything else will fall into place with prayer and repentance.

We don't need to preach the doom and gloom " this is nothing but fluffy ice cream love and you need to be taught a lesson " doctrine.

I agree with the first quote above, madeinrussia, and some are just fine with hearing the message of "ice cream love". But as an Orthodox Christian, would you agree that the danger of hell exists? If not a real physical place, then a very real separation from God for all eternity? What about all the warnings Jesus gave about hell?

Quahom1 · 11-15-2007, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondi

I agree with the first quote above, madeinrussia, and some are just fine with hearing the message of "ice cream love". But as an Orthodox Christian, would you agree that the danger of hell exists? If not a real physical place, then a very real separation from God for all eternity? What about all the warnings Jesus gave about hell?

I know the question was for the Russky, but I'm of the opinion that just as the Kingdom of Heaven is now and within us, Hell too is now and around us. When for example a person is so desperate and alone (isolated), to the point of contemplating suicide, they are spiritually, in a kind of hell and seperated from God.