Door-To-Door Missionaries

[mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

"I'm a Christian, I say". Then I'm lectured on how I'm the wrong type of Christian? Stuff that. That to me is God being made in some "man's" image...no thanks.

the aim of Jehovahs witnesses is to point to what the bible says . as you say manmade things are not the way to go . if we stick to the bible we cant go wrong . the bible is what it is all about .Daniel 2;44 matthew 24;14 Psalm 83;18 John 3;16 John 17;3

[madeinrussia89]

Originally Posted by Dondi

I concede the possibility of a "second chance" after death. I am intrigued by Fr. Seraphim's idea of "Aeriel-Tollhouses". It's similiar to the experience of Howard Storm in his book, "My Descent Into Death". Could you direct me to more references to this?

A good writing on this is " The Soul After Death " by Father Seraphim Rose.

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by madeinrussia89

A what Christian? I'm Orthodox.

And yes Patty, out of love for us Jesus is always with us, but if you love Jesus and know that he loves you, everything else will fall into place with prayer and repentance.

We don't need to preach the doom and gloom " this is nothing but fluffy ice cream love and you need to be taught a lesson " doctrine.

Cover your own ass Christian.

Knowing and loving Jesus is definitely the place to start. But you do not stop there, you introduce the bible. If you just simply say you love Jesus but can't say anything else about Christianity you are just perpetuating stereotypes.

Speaking of perpetuating stereotypes what do you mean by "gloom and doom" preaching?

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

the aim of Jehovahs witnesses is to point to what the bible says . as you say manmade things are not the way to go . if we stick to the bible we cant go wrong . the bible is what it is all about .Daniel 2;44 matthew 24;14 Psalm 83;18 John 3;16 John 17;3

No, sometimes (no most of the time), you "overload" with so much information, it overwhelms and ultimately turns off the reader. And there is nothing personal in your posts, unless we drag....it out of you. I for one, do not care to drag out of anyone their reflections, nor do I care to weed through various scripture marks to try and figure out what is being said.

I suspect most others don't bother either. So what happens, Mee, is instead of catching people's attention, your posts become a road side billboard, because there is nothing personal in it. And if you try to say one more time that this is your life...then I think you've been lobotomized...I could talk with a parrot and get the same information...

And I fear you will deliberately or otherwise miss my whole point (again), but I'll keep trying.

Think about it.

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Q

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by pattimax

It most certainly is too love. When you love somebody and care about what is going to happen to them, you level with them. What do you say love is?

"Making disciples of all the nations" may be an order, just like love your neighbor as yourself is an order. The troops? Who do you think? If you are a non-Christian and reading what Jesus said, then o.k. fine he isn't talking to you.

Agape love (the greatest of all loves), is doing for others what is best for them, despite how we personally feel, and despit what it might cost us. That is where "love your enemy" gets it's strength from.

There is no order to go out and witness door to door. The "witness" is in the actions and behavior of the one, during a time of observation by non-believers, whether that be a moment, or years...

My thoughts.

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Q

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Agape love (the greatest of all loves), is doing for others what is best for them, despite how we personally feel, and despit what it might cost us. That is where "love your enemy" gets it's strength from.

Sounds a lot like the great commission to me. Especially the personal cost part.

There is no order to go out and witness door to door.

I realize this and I also realize some people have earned reputations that are doing The Kingdom a disservice, but I had people from a local church come by my house before I was a Christian and I really enjoyed talking to them. Their follow-up was really bad (I called the church and didn't recieve a return phone call), but I am not going to blame the entire process.(I also didn't become a Christian right then, but in hindsight, I am so glad it worked out that way. hmmm...maybe God had a hand in it.)

I read earlier where you had people come to your door and say you were the "wrong" kind of Christian. You know I definitely do not agree with that. But sometimes people
NEED a personal introduction to the Lord. I am not talking about any type of self serving evangelism, I am referring to sad times in people's lives when they do not know where to turn.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by pattimax

Sounds a lot like the great commission to me. Especially the personal cost part.



I realize this and I also realize some people have earned reputations that are doing The Kingdom a disservice, but I had people from a local church come by my house before I was a Christian and I really enjoyed talking to them. Their follow-up was really bad (I called the church and didn't recieve a return phone call), but I am not going to blame the entire process.(I also didn't become a Christian right then, but in hindsight, I am so glad it worked out that way. hmmm...maybe God had a hand in it.)

I read earlier where you had people come to your door and say you were the "wrong" kind of Christian. You know I definitely do not agree with that. But sometimes people
NEED a personal introduction to the Lord. I am not talking about any type of self serving evangelism, I am referring to sad times in people's lives when they do not know where to turn.

But as you wisely point out, God determines what we need to hear...not the door knockers.

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[madeinrussia89]

Originally Posted by pattimax

Cover your own ass Christian.

Knowing and loving Jesus is definitely the place to start. But you do not stop there, you introduce the bible. If you just simply say you love Jesus but can't say anything else about Christianity you are just perpetuating stereotypes.

Speaking of perpetuating stereotypes what do you mean by "gloom and doom" preaching?

I still don't know what a " cover your own ass " Christian is, please explain?


I'm not saying "stop there, that's the end" or " love Jesus and that's it". No way. We don't just reach a plateau and then stop. I'm not advocating that at all. What I was saying is that if you love Jesus and truly seek him in prayer and repentance, that everything else will come too, God willing.

What I mean by "doom and gloom" preaching is the constant focus on Hell and who is damned and not damned, fire and brimstone, that whole thing.

[greymare]

I like you dondi and if I knew it was you knocking on my door Id probably invite y;ou in for a cuppa. Perhaps I could suggest a name badge. I had a couple door knock this week and though I was polite, I suggested this website for their perusal. i dont know if it did much good.

[madeinrussia89]

Originally Posted by greymare

I like you dondi and if I knew it was you knocking on my door Id probably invite y;ou in for a cuppa.

Definately, I second that. If Dondi was at my door I'd actually open it too.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

No, sometimes (no most of the time), you "overload" with so much information, it overwhelms and ultimately turns off the reader. And there is nothing personal in your posts, unless we drag....it out of you. I for one, do not care to drag out of anyone their reflections, nor do I care to weed through various scripture marks to try and figure out what is being said.

I suspect most others don't bother either. So what happens, Mee, is instead of catching people's attention, your posts become a road side billboard, because there is nothing personal in it. And if you try to say one more time that this is your life...then I think you've been lobotomized...I could talk with a parrot and get the same information...

And I fear you will deliberately or otherwise miss my whole point (again), but I'll keep trying.

Think about it.

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Q

its good to know that the bible informs us that Gods kingdom will put an end to manmade rulership and that is the whole theme of the bible..... Daniel 2;44 so what is important is Gods purpose and that is what i like to promote not my own thoughts . and yes it is GOODNEWS matthew 24;14 so i do get your point but i am focused on doing what the bible tells me . now is the time to make it known but many are in opposition.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

its good to know that the bible informs us that Gods kingdom will put an end to manmade rulership and that is the whole theme of the bible..... Daniel 2;44 so what is important is Gods purpose and that is what i like to promote not my own thoughts . and yes it is GOODNEWS matthew 24;14 so i do get your point but i am focused on doing what the bible tells me . now is the time to make it known but many are in opposition.

No, you DON'T get it. What good is quoting the BIBLE if there is nothing personal to back up the quotes? Billy Graham (arguably one of the best orators and Pastors) always had a personal story to show how the Bible affected him and his life, and why we should pay heed to what it says because it could affect us as well. You act like a tape recorder...

Scripture means nothing, unless it has an affect on people's lives...that is how one's attention is caught and kept. That is how people begin to think of the word, and remember it, and by God, apply it to their own lives. That is how people start to pray...because maybe, just maybe, if God helped one, He'll consider helping another...

Without Love, Mee, without the personal touch, we're just gongs in the wind.

[greymare]

what is "gongs in the wind?"

[cyberpi]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

And there is nothing personal in your posts, unless we drag....it out of you.

Q, not everyone has ex-wives or marriages to freely talk about.

[greymare]

just a note pi, it can abe painful but theraputic to talk about our experiences(whether it be past relationships) it is one of the things that makes us human. Just my 2bobs worth.