Dragons everywhere you look! - Page 2

flowperson · 10-25-2006, 12:10 AM

Remember also that ancient cultures worldwide, and especially in the Northern Hemisphere, held a basic belief that Gods and men came from the sky and drew their energies from the heavens: and, that women came from the earth and drew their energies from that source. The dragon at the Ishtar gate that you mentioned Juan would likely be a representation of this. Dragons were often known to inhabit areas where entry into other realities were believed to exist.

Native American cultures and their predecessors from the Eurasian Plains were especially fixed in these beliefs. There are also many Native American Creation myths that exhibit a common thread of the original people emerging from the earth to begin their tribes. Kind of like a resurrection scenario IMO.

There are unseen energies flowing around, through, and impinging off of us at all times from our conception to our death. Some from the heavens, some from the earth. You can't tell me that this does not have effects upon our lives. We are a part of the universe, and it is the largest part of us.

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moseslmpg · 10-25-2006, 03:11 AM

I thought men came from the earth and women came from the sky.

flowperson · 10-25-2006, 02:16 PM

Nope...in general worldwide the traditional belief is men from the sky and women from the earth. Some cultures of river people and south Pacific people believe in ancestors coming by boat or barge, but these are exceptions to the rule. But as I noted, in some American Native cultures, it is believed that all original people came from the earth.

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moseslmpg · 10-25-2006, 06:15 PM

Sorry I know this is off topic, but can you give specific examples of women from the earth, men from the sky or maybe where I can read more about this? I just don't remember ever hearing about this before.

flowperson · 10-26-2006, 12:58 AM

I've done a lot of reading on ancient beliefs over the past twenty years or so. While I can't give you specific references, during my research on global cultural anthropologies, this fact just jumped out at me one day in my work. I have found this pattern emerging in several places over the years. I would suggest a general text on the spiritual beliefs of Native American tribes of the plains. You should find it there

Now, the Hebrews believed that for men to receive the arrow of knowledge (mishkan) from G-d who dwelled in the heavens, one was obliged to place himself in the attitude of the female (shekinah) in order to be receptive to the piercing by the mishkan. IMO, this implies, even at this relatively late date, that there was a carry-over of beliefs from ancient tribal days into the nomadic Hebrew period of a concept of men being able to receive spiritual messages from the heavens under appropriate conditions. Dauer and Bananabrain had a different interpretation of the process than the one I found in my work, but opinions differ on most things this far back in time.

Sorry, but that's about the best that I can do. By the same token it was a common belief that women received spiritual energies from the earth through their feet. There is even biblical precedent for this concept in G-d's command to Moses to take the shoes from his feet when in the presence of the burning bush when they first met. But the concept is there of there being something special about holy ground.

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Dondi · 10-27-2006, 01:36 PM

I, for one, believe in dragons. I actually saw one in the late 70s. I managed to obtain a photo of it. You don't believe me? Here.

17th Angel · 10-27-2006, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondi

I, for one, believe in dragons. I actually saw one in the late 70s. I managed to obtain a photo of it. You don't believe me? Here.

In the 70's!??! It wasn't called "puff" by any chance? And was a magical dragon...?

*looks at the photo* ah!! it looks so real! Pete's dragon :O

Ciel · 10-27-2006, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondi

I, for one, believe in dragons. I actually saw one in the late 70s. I managed to obtain a photo of it. You don't believe me? Here.

It's an interdimensional time scale apparition. Not many people return from such places to tell the tail.

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wil · 10-27-2006, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Ciel

It's an interdimensional time scale apparition. Not many people return from such places to tell the tail.

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she said tail...Not many people return from such places as the tail...hmmm I can believe that.

Is falling from an interdimensional time scale apparition a frodoan slip?

flowperson · 10-27-2006, 11:16 PM

Ahhh...there's many a slip twixt the cup and the lip.

Ciel's right, the prevalence of animated reality in our world has changed it mightily over the eighty years or so since "Steamboat Willie". For many children raised since the 60's, dragons are as real as er...politicians ?

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Ciel · 10-27-2006, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by flowperson

Ahhh...there's many a slip twixt the cup and the lip.

Ciel's right, the prevalence of animated reality in our world has changed it mightily over the eighty years or so since "Steamboat Willie". For many children raised since the 60's, dragons are as real as er...politicians ?

flow....

What's a politician?

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flowperson · 10-27-2006, 11:57 PM

Ciel:

You know...those cartoonish characters you can see on the Telly that yell at each other and pound on the green benches at Whitehall. We even see them over here across the pond in all of their glory on C-Span. I believe that I rather enjoy watching dragons more though.

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Ciel · 10-28-2006, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by flowperson

Ciel:

You know...those cartoonish characters you can see on the Telly that yell at each other and pound on the green benches at Whitehall. We even see them over here across the pond in all of their glory on C-Span. I believe that I rather enjoy watching dragons more though.

flow....

Oh, the Lords and the House of Commons...... they don't talk no dragon talk, just a lot of farmyard sounds.....baa, naa, neigh, woo, wahs. Now dragons are real honest creatures in comparison. You know where you are with a dragon.

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pohaikawahine · 10-28-2006, 07:14 PM

just a few thought to share regarding dragons .... my grandson (mo'opuna) nickname is "mo'o" which means dragon .... and notice that our word (hawaiian) for grandson is mo'opuna .... even our word for genealogy is "mo'oku'auhau" our history and traditions is "mo'olelo", our pathway "mo'olio" and many more .... some of us are even of the "mo'o" clan .... all this to say that our traditions include the knowlege of the "mo'o" or dragon energies .... it is basically a reference to the spiralling energies within the human body .... when one learns how to read the symbols and the inner meanings all the "dragons" of the world make perfect sense and are part of an ancient path of knowledge or wisdom that tells us who we really are .... it is intertwined (to use a pun here) with the path to enlightnment or revelations .... my grandson says that he learns many things in school, but from his grandmother he will learn about dragon energy .... dragons are everywhere you look because we all possess dragon energy but have fallen into a deep sleep and have forgotten how to use it for positive purposes .... there is a form of yoga associated with the Essenes (as I am told) that includes the secrets of awakening the inner serpent fire so that it will ascend up the spinal column .... this knowledge is closely aligned with the knowledge of those that understand the "mo'o" .... he hawai'i au, pohaikawahine

p.s. anyone can ride the dragon to the top of the mountain when you learn how to move the energy upward ....

Alvis Rofhessa · 10-28-2006, 08:12 PM

I have had a few debates on forums like allempires and debatingchristianity about dragons = dinosaurs. They can not bring them selves to accept that mytholgy is right and "science" is wrong that humans and dinos were contemporary. As somone said here they dismiss it by saying that they imagined the creatures from dinosaur bones/fossils, yet they evade the fact that the ancients described minor details that they could not have got from fossils/bones (even ones still with flesh/blood on them which incidentally prooves they can't be as old as "science" insists) but only from witnessing/living with living dinos, besides the fact that they are calling our ancestors liars (they deny saying they were only mistaken/ignorant).

Another Maori/Polynesian dinosaur is the Taniwha, which word may be same as Hebrew Tannin (some see element in leviaTHAN).

The word Sir-rush/Mush-rush is related to word serpent: Mesopotamian tsir/sir/sirrush, Indian sarpati, Englis serpent/-saur, Hebrew seraphim, Malay serpa/siput, Italic serpere/serpens, Egypt ser, etc.

Those stories of men emerging from earth/cavern(s) (after catastrophe) is also/alt a picture of the Ark which is often likened to an egg, cave (vara), etc.

It is interesting that science and mythology both agree in a close relationship between reptiles and birds: winged/feathered/flying serpents, fire/thunder birds, etc; tho there are also reptile versus bird myths: Scorpio & Aquilo, etc.

Scientific & historical evidence that dinosaurs & humans/civilization were contemporaneous:

1) ancient oral memories (Bible & "myths") and pictures of dinosaur-like creatures like red dragons, winged/footed serpents, Leviathan, Behemoth, Taniwhas = tannin, Sir-rush/Mush-rush (tsir = serpent), etc, including Deva-Nagari writings which mention life with the dinos, what they ate, how they mated, etc, and a pre-Columbian jaguar figure with spade like features on side & rear imagined to look like a modern geared earth-moving machine but which looks like a dragon.

2) footprints of dinosaurs and humans have been found in the same bed, though the authenticity of both is debated and the humanoid ones are giant. 3) there have been found human bones underneath dino bones in S America.
4) the world egg/world serpent in mythology.
5) alledged modern sitings of dino-like creatures in Africa & Loch Ness.
6) un/fossilized dino remains (blood/meat) that couldn't have been so well preserved for so long.
7) surviving reptiles.
8) traces of humans/civilization have been found in every period of the geological time scale.
9) mass graves of dinosaurs in Gobi desert as if water/sand dumped on them.