Dragons everywhere you look! - Page 7

Tao_Equus · 10-28-2008, 12:27 PM

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As in: Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus?

Whether Tao is from Mars is still under consideration around here...nobody is brave enough to look under the wool skirt to find out.

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Dharmaatmaa · 10-29-2008, 01:30 PM

By the way, if I'm not mistaken in China they call dragons so-called "big people out from Himalayas". But not in sense of giants, only big with intellectual power. They call them Dragons of Wisdom.

It makes me remind that Snake from Eden. He promised Eva that she with Adam will become wise having eaten that apple. It looks like a "Dragon gifting Wisdom".

mee · 10-30-2008, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dharmaatmaa

It makes me remind that Snake from Eden. He promised Eva that she with Adam will become wise having eaten that apple. It looks like a "Dragon gifting Wisdom".

That original serpent was and is full of lies , and those who listen to him will see that they were decieved

In Revelation 12:9 it is written: "So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him."

Yes, "the serpent" involved in Eden was none other than the wicked spirit creature known as Satan the Devil.

Not only did that symbolic serpent come to have angels in heaven but he has had a "seed" down here on earth, a "seed" that in due time will be crushed out of existence with him.

Confirming this identification of the Devil as being "the serpent" behind the downfall of our original parents, Jesus Christ said to Jewish religious leaders in the first century: "You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a manslayer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth . . . When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie." (John 8:44)

Jesus also called those religious opposers "offspring of vipers."—Matthew 12:34; 23:33.

Dharmaatmaa · 11-06-2008, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mee

That original serpent was and is full of lies , and those who listen to him will see that they were decieved

I am not going to discuss with many words the Devil theme. I have no opportunity to express all that I'd love to about this theme here. You prove, please:

1) who told you that Snake meant Satan? It wasn't called so in that place.
2) how can it be shown that "That original serpent was and is full of lies"? It's a superstition.
3) Isaiah says he was a child of God and so on... he even stands before God with other angels at Isaiah. What does it mean?

I only know almost every religion, every nation, all Asia look at "serpents" like at Wise creatures (usually Dragons), except Christians.

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Jesus also called those religious opposers "offspring of vipers."—Matthew 12:34; 23:33.

If I truely remember, Jesus also had said "Be wise as Snakes!" in another place of Scripture. How do you think, dear Mee? I think it means the "serpent" word is used in different contexts - both 'good' and 'bad'.

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Originally Posted by mee

Confirming this identification of the Devil as being "the serpent" behind the downfall of our original parents, Jesus Christ said to Jewish religious leaders in the first century: "You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a manslayer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth . . . When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie." (John 8:44)

Diabolos wasn't called Snake (or Viper) in this quote. What does it prove?

And the devil of christians is phantastic theme. It can't belong to the Dragons of Wisdom in China, I guess.

mee · 11-06-2008, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dharmaatmaa

1) who told you that Snake meant Satan? It wasn't called so in that place.

"And he seized the dragon, the original serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years."—Rev. 20:2.

So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.
rev 12;9

mee · 11-06-2008, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dharmaatmaa

2) how can it be shown that "That original serpent was and is full of lies"? It's a superstition.

But I am afraid that somehow, as the serpent seduced Eve by its cunning, YOUR minds might be corrupted away from the sincerity and the chastity that are due the Christ. 2 corinthians 11;3

At this the serpent said to the woman: "YOU positively will not die.
Genesis 3;4

he is a lier

He who carries on sin originates with the Devil, because the Devil has been sinning from [the] beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was made manifest, namely, to break up the works of the Devil. 1 john 3;8

satan began his rebellion against God ,and it was the beginning of bad things

and Jesus when speaking to the religious leaders in his day said

you are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of YOUR father. That one was a manslayer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of [the lie]. JOHN 8;44

they were not into truth, the same way satan wasnt, he did not stand fast to the truth , and religious leaders in Jesus day did the same

Dharmaatmaa · 11-07-2008, 01:24 PM

The Devil said "If you eat the apple you shall not die". So he said truth. She didn't die as I remember. And it occurs "he is" not "a lier".

"Satan began his rebellion against God ,and it was the beginning of bad things" you say. Here, I'm both agree and disagree. If we look at Satan's ethimology we shall definitely see that it isn't a personal name. "Satana" is everything being against something. Day is "satana" of a night and so on.

The Devil wasn't meantioned when I had spoken of the Dragons of Wisdom. Not being a Christian, I can't afford theological fighting here.

Why Isaiah said what he said? Why Devil, 'satana', stands before the God?! What does it mean? It means that Bible wasn't correctly understood by clericals. It all is an allegory I think.

And who, our beloved God was a father of Devil!? Who created him?

I want to answer myself. Devil's just the second part of God, dark side of the Moon. We could never say what is black if we didn't see white. The are brothers - Jah-hevah and Satan.

But I don't want to make the discussion of mythological Dragons become a narrow theological argue.

mee · 11-07-2008, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dharmaatmaa

The Devil said "If you eat the apple you shall not die". So he said truth. She didn't die as I remember. And it occurs "he is" not "a lier".

"Satan began his rebellion against God ,and it was the beginning of bad things" you say. Here, I'm both agree and disagree. If we look at Satan's ethimology we shall definitely see that it isn't a personal name. "Satana" is everything being against something. Day is "satana" of a night and so on.

The Devil wasn't meantioned when I had spoken of the Dragons of Wisdom. Not being a Christian, I can't afford theological fighting here.

Why Isaiah said what he said? Why Devil, 'satana', stands before the God?! What does it mean? It means that Bible wasn't correctly understood by clericals. It all is an allegory I think.

And who, our beloved God was a father of Devil!? Who created him?

I want to answer myself. Devil's just the second part of God, dark side of the Moon. We could never say what is black if we didn't see white. The are brothers - Jah-hevah and Satan.

But I don't want to make the discussion of mythological Dragons become a narrow theological argue.

when eve eat the fruit mankind started to die, before eating the fruit she did not have to die . she could have lived forever , it was only after eating the fruit that humans started to die so satan lied to eve .

That is why, just as through one man (Adam)sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned—. romans 5;12