Dubya in Central/South America

[Pathless]

Here's a link to an interesting article about some reactions to Dubya's upcoming "tour" of Central and South America.

[cyberpi]

"That a person like (Bush), with the persecution of our migrant brothers in the United States, with the wars he has provoked, is going to walk in our sacred lands, is an offense for the Mayan people and their culture," Juan Tiney, the director of a Mayan nongovernmental organization with close ties to Mayan religious and political leaders, said Thursday.

The correlation of the possessive 'our' hilights where some are considering 'WE' the people by different standards. It seems this is an example of 'we' by ethnicity, by land, and maybe religion... but not by law or agreement.

Thank you for raising it.

[Pathless]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

The correlation of the possessive 'our' hilights where some are considering 'WE' the people by different standards. It seems this is an example of 'we' by ethnicity, by land, and maybe religion... but not by law.

Thank you for raising it.

It's Guatemala that these people are talking about. Not the United States.

The land they are talking about is their sacred land. Mayans have lived there for thousands of years before Spanish conquistadors made ridiculous legal claims to their land. And now their land has been decimated and occupied by corporations, utilizing a system of corrupt laws, as well as flat-out bullying tactics. Bullying is a minimzing word. Genocide would be more appropriate.

[cyberpi]

That may be the case Pathless and I would like to learn more about what you speak of, but Juan Tiney is quoted as saying, "...persecution of our migrant brothers in the United States..." Does that not refer to someone who migrated to the USA?

I submit that these statements are legal claims, posted standards if you will, per hidden spiritual rules. Or if you don't believe... then media with interesting hidden messages.

[Pathless]

Yes, I see what you are referring to now.

I would encourage you to look deeply into the issue. If you do indeed want to learn more about what I type, send me a pm and I will recommend some books and websites.

[cyberpi]

Don't hold back... I will read whatever you send but would prefer it in the forum for all to read. I know with stories up and down the 'new world' of exploration, adventure, and settlement, that with iniquity it might translate as rape, pillage, and manifestdestiny.

Not sure if that is related to President Bush in South America though.

[Pathless]

Howdy Doody, cp. Here's a list of books to choose from to get you started.

• A People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn. There are even some excerpts from this book online. Click here if you want to get started right away!
• Terrorism and War. Again, by Howard Zinn.
• Anything by Noam Chomsky.
• The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight by Thom Hartmann
• The Chalice & The Blade by Riane Eisler
• Dreaming the Dark: Magic, Sex, and Politics by Starhawk
• Ancient Voices, Current Affaris by Steve McFadden
• Perpetual War for Perptual Peace by Gore Vidal
• Democracy Matters by Cornel West
• Race Matters by Cornel West
• Confessions of an Economic Hitman by John Perkins
• Autobiography of a Blue-Eyed Devil by Inga Muscio
• Persian Mirrors: The Elusive Face of Iran by Elaine Sciolino

This list is not exhaustive by any means, and touches on many issues, all of them related to capitalism run amok and the consequences of that for the people, animals, plants, and minerals of planet Earth. Although I have not finished all of these books, I have read something from each of them--with the exception of Race Matters--and have read many of them from cover to cover. I highly recommend them.

Another great piece is this speech given by Martin Luther King Jr at Riverside Church in NYC on April 4, 1967: Beyond Vietnam: A Time to Break Silence.

Documentaries I would recommend include:

• The Corporation
• When the Mountains Tremble--this one is directly related to the issues raised in the original post
• About Baghdad

Something that could be less painful and stressful than looking into the above list would be to listen to music from different parts of the world. Libraries often have great collections of CDs, including music from Indian/Indigenous cultures, Iraq, Iran, India, Russia, South America and Central America, and many other places.

Peace,
Pathless

[wil]

What no Creature from Jekyll Island on the reading list?

How about Madison's Notes?

[flowperson]

A Forest Of Kings...a well written book regarding ancient Mayan culture written by academics from Texas in the late 80's.

Among other odd rituals practiced in this violent culture (which we should also thank for chocolate) the book notes that all royal family members, having reached adulthood, were required to ascend their pyramids to the little house on top where they were periodically required by priests to pierce their genitals and tongues with thorns and dot their blood onto paper strips which were then burned as offerings to the gods. Yuck !

Kudos for Howard Zinn's book. Really real !

flow....

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by Pathless

Howdy Doody, cp. Here's a list of books to choose from to get you started.

• A People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn. There are even some excerpts from this book online. Click here if you want to get started right away!
• Terrorism and War. Again, by Howard Zinn.
• Anything by Noam Chomsky.
• The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight by Thom Hartmann
• The Chalice & The Blade by Riane Eisler
• Dreaming the Dark: Magic, Sex, and Politics by Starhawk
• Ancient Voices, Current Affaris by Steve McFadden
• Perpetual War for Perptual Peace by Gore Vidal
• Democracy Matters by Cornel West
• Race Matters by Cornel West
• Confessions of an Economic Hitman by John Perkins
• Autobiography of a Blue-Eyed Devil by Inga Muscio
• Persian Mirrors: The Elusive Face of Iran by Elaine Sciolino

This list is not exhaustive by any means, and touches on many issues, all of them related to capitalism run amok and the consequences of that for the people, animals, plants, and minerals of planet Earth. Although I have not finished all of these books, I have read something from each of them--with the exception of Race Matters--and have read many of them from cover to cover. I highly recommend them.

Another great piece is this speech given by Martin Luther King Jr at Riverside Church in NYC on April 4, 1967: Beyond Vietnam: A Time to Break Silence.

Documentaries I would recommend include:

• The Corporation
• When the Mountains Tremble--this one is directly related to the issues raised in the original post
• About Baghdad

Something that could be less painful and stressful than looking into the above list would be to listen to music from different parts of the world. Libraries often have great collections of CDs, including music from Indian/Indigenous cultures, Iraq, Iran, India, Russia, South America and Central America, and many other places.

Peace,
Pathless

have you seen the films of Godfrey Reggio, particularly the first 2 of his trilogy?

s.

[Pathless]

No, I am not familiar with them, and will look into them. Thanks, Snoops!

[Snoopy]

Hi,

The films are Koyaanisqatsi and Powaqqatsi.

Celebrates nonverbal films like Baraka, Samsara, Koyaanisqatsi, Microcosmos, Winged Migration, Naqoyqatsi, Chronos

The third one in the trilogy Naqoyqatsi I've not seen but doesn't seem to get the universal praise of the others. Baraka, made by his director of photography is another film I reckon will be powerful stuff.

s.