False prophets..... - Page 7

Faithfulservant · 02-26-2005, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Sacredstar

I agree one man died and was resurrected by GOD but there is no tomb or evidence to prove a burial unless you know something that I do not Bandit.

I should also correct you, the Prophets that bring the word of GOD do not receive revelation through divination they hear the word of GOD, sometimes directly from GOD and sometimes as stated in Romans through the intercession of the saints.

Love beyond measure

Sacredstar

LOL it takes some thinking if you choose not to think logically then your never going to see it.

500 people witnessed Jesus after his resurrection and most were hostile towards him.. Comparative Literature demonstrates that myth takes a number of generations to develop.. an early apostles creed includes the Resurrection in 1 Corinthians 15:3-9 and has been dated by many scholars to within 3-7 years of Christs death and resurrection. This implies prior public belief. Scholars agree that the first letters by St. Paul appeared within 25 years or less of Jesus ministry, and the four Gospels within 21 (and no later than 65 years).The preaching of the apostles always centered on the Resurrection. In a very short period of time, devout Jews throughout the Roman Empire who had formerly faithfully worshiped God on the seventh day of each week, converted to Christianity and began meeting on the first day, in celebration of Christ's resurrection.

The Gospels dont resemble either greek myth or Jewish legend. In contrast to those the Gospels understate and lack embellishment yet contain details counterproductive to the invention of legendary heroes. For example the following 6 factors in John chapter 20 are at odds with the tendency of legendary material

With great restraint, no attempt is made to describe the resurrection itself.

Mary neither initially recognized the risen Jesus (the "hero") (John 20:14).

nor even considered that there was anything special about Him (John 20:16).

Indeed, even by the end of the day, the disciples (the secondary "heroes") were still in hiding "for fear of the Jews" (John 20:19).

And, were the Gospels the free creation of paternalistic bias, as feminists charge, it is incredible the writers would have chosen women to be the first witnesses of the risen Jesus. The testimony of women didn't even count legally.

Yet, it was their courage the morning after the Resurrection that put the men's contrasting cowardice to shame

Jesus died due to the rigors of crucifixion. Jesus was buried.

Jesus' death caused the disciples to despair and lose hope.

Many scholars hold that Jesus' tomb was discovered to be empty just a few days later.

At this time the disciples had real experiences that they believed to be literal experiences of the risen Jesus.

The disciples were transformed from doubters who were afraid to identify with Jesus, to bold proclaimers of his death and resurrection, even being willing to die for this belief.

The resurrection was central to their message.

The resurrection was proclaimed in Jerusalem where the empty tomb was. As a result...

The church was born and grew...

...with Sunday the primary day of worship.

James, Jesus' skeptical brother, was converted by the Resurrection.

Paul, the great persecutor of Christianity, was converted by the Resurrection

Are you referring to this passage in Romans??

Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

That definitely isnt talking about intercession from saints Its talking about the Holy Spirit who prays for us when we cannot.

Romans 8:27 Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

This one is also NOT telling us to pray to saints it is speaking of US, the saints.. not passed over saints. It helps to read the whole chapter and not just verse by verse.. I still say the worst thing they did was divide up scriptures into verse and chapter..

Sacredstar · 02-26-2005, 10:39 AM

Dear Faithfulservant

No that is not the quote from Romans, I posted it earlier on this thread and it is also posted on the 'Hope' thread.

Please read my post again for I do not feel you understood what I wrote.

As far as Mary and the Child are concerned there were five Infancy Gospels (4 written by Apostles) that talks about how Mary felt about the divine child but none were selected to be included in the bible perhaps you would do us the honour of informing us why none of these were included?

being love

Kim xxx

Sacredstar · 02-26-2005, 10:54 AM

Dear Basstian

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Originally Posted by Basstian

I would not at this time wash your feet nor would I allow you to wash mine you seem to miss the whole point of that. It was the master serving His servants. He washed their feet. His servants people who believed in Him people who did the will of His Father. I didnt see anywhere He humbled Himself to unbelievers trying to change the word of God and lead people astray. Nor will I. It is loving but also kind enough to rebuke us when we are wrong.

Basstian your reactions speak for themselves.

GOD of love never rebukes anyone in my experience.

But in the bible it states that those that condemn will be condemned by GOD so be mindful Basstian of who you condemn in GOD's name for GOD sees all.

Jesus was teaching the Apostles humility and that he was not above them but one with them. That he would not ask them to do anything that he was not prepared to do himself.

We are all GOD's servants Basstian GOD embraces everyone whether they believe in him or not, GOD loves everyone for GOD is love.

We are all here to serve but most have not found the meaning of the life of service and what service means, to serve others as GOD served us.

"Blessed are the pure of heart for they shall see GOD"

and so it is I can confirm that his promise is fulfilled.

Love beyond measure

Sacredstar

Faithfulservant · 02-26-2005, 11:06 AM

Basstians comment on boasting how humble you are rings so true to me.. It is what I mentioned about worshipping yourself over the worship of God. You are quick to point out all your acheivements and accomplishments and how good your life has been and how blessed you have been with visions and dreams and prophesies but never one have I see you give the glory of it to God or Jesus Christ.. its all about magnifying YOUR name among the people and it sounds like sooo many televangelists here in the US that it literally makes me sick to my stomach. It seems to me you like to hear yourself speak.. or text in this case.

Ive seen you on other posts talk to someone else about taking money for your healing services which is contrary to Christ.. I believe that in effect you are trying to set yourself up a church and why would you try to get followers from a Christian board is beyond me. You posted on another thread about radical sages and brian mentioned the advertising factor and you were so quick to defend that they need money too... Jesus condemned those that fleece the flock.. And God specifically says that he will take care of his childrens needs. Your profile states that you are an ex professional clairvoyant which falls under the term divination yet when that word is mentioned you say that its not what it is.

SS.. other people have started on this board trying to establish churches for themselves by promoting on this site and I think that you have been doing it gradually since you started posting here. I dont think its been so aggressive that Brian or other mods would recognize it but most of us who read your posts that teach contrary to the Word have recognized it and are telling you that we arent interested in your way.. If you would just like to discuss love and world harmomy with us that would be different because we DO love! We do seek peace that surpasses all understanding but not at the sake of our salvation. We do agree with you that we need to not focus on materialism.. that we need to walk in the Spirit.

We DO have things in common but we arent going to change what we believe on the more fundamental issues no matter who gave you a vision or a prophecy or a divine truth.. because all of those things we are warned about all throughout the bible. We have been gradually trying to tell you these things and you just keep going to the point of offense. Continuously slamming our bible.. our fundamental christian beliefs and to us Americans.. our president and politics.

I feel sorry for you and I pray for you. I dont know how to be gentle anymore and I have tried.

If you truly want to build that bridge of peace please stop promoting yourself to us and talk to us.

Truly WITH LOVE

Faithful Servant

Faithfulservant · 02-26-2005, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Sacredstar

Dear Faithfulservant

No that is not the quote from Romans, I posted it earlier on this thread and it is also posted on the 'Hope' thread.

Please read my post again for I do not feel you understood what I wrote.

As far as Mary and the Child are concerned there were five Infancy Gospels (4 written by Apostles) that talks about how Mary felt about the divine child but none were selected to be included in the bible perhaps you would do us the honour of informing us why none of these were included?

being love

Kim xxx

Like it has been said many times before on this board.. They are not inspired by the Holy Spirit therefore they are not added to 66 books of the bible and not recognized by the Church and being Spirit inspired. You can accept that you cannot. Either way I dont recognize them.. I wont recognize them.. Mary was the mother of Jesus.. She was not mentioned after his death because she had no impact on the message of the Gospels.. The NT is about Jesus Christ and thats all that matters.. Mary is NOT divine.. she was a vessel in whom Jesus Christ was born into the world thats one lucky woman but it doesnt put her above Him and it doesnt put her above me or you. He would not want us to make her into a god figure in which to worship.

Sacredstar · 02-26-2005, 11:44 AM

Dear Faithfulservant

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Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

1. Never one have I see you give the glory of it to God or Jesus Christ

2. Ive seen you on other posts talk to someone else about taking money for your healing services which is contrary to Christ..

3. I believe that in effect you are trying to set yourself up a church and why would you try to get followers from a Christian board is beyond me.

4. You posted on another thread about radical sages and brian mentioned the advertising factor and you were so quick to defend that they need money too...

5. And God specifically says that he will take care of his childrens needs.

6. Your profile states that you are an ex professional clairvoyant which falls under the term divination yet when that word is mentioned you say that its not what it is.

7. SS.. other people have started on this board trying to establish churches for themselves by promoting on this site and I think that you have been doing it gradually since you started posting here.

8. If you truly want to build that bridge of peace please stop promoting yourself to us and talk to us.

Faithful Servant

1. I never claim the information comes from me I always glorify GOD which is why GOD chose for my integrity.

2. GOD is at this moment arranging funding so that I may offer my services for free and you are not aware how many products or how many hours of my time I give to the poor free. But as I am sure you are aware even a humble home the rent as to be paid.

3. Nothing could be further from the truth this is your perception but as no basis in reality. I have no desire or need for followers Jesus as taught me to teach spiritual independence and total trust in GOD.

4. All my life I have defended the underdog the poor, homeless and sick and I will continue to defend anyone who is attacked without reason or substance, it is very quick to judge others but as Jesus said let those that have not sinned throw the first stone.

5. And Glory be to GOD he does indeed take care of our needs.

6. The strict literal definition of clairvoyance is clear seeing not divining.

Clairsentience means clear feeling
Clairaudience means clear hearing

GOD as blessed me with all three so that he can communicate with me, and all the prophets of the bible would have had these mediumship abilities. Serving clients with these abilities was just another part of my training and I left that work behind when GOD asked me to move on to the next stage.

GOD needs no divination tools to communicate through all GOD needs is a human instrument which I am.

7. This is your perception but not the truth.

8. I have responded to all of your questions on and off forum and people on this board this last week have called me all the detrimental names under the sun and I have continually responded with a loving, caring, compassionate, peaceful and graceful heart.

Sadly Jesus as taught me that persecution comes with the job, thank GOD that Jesus as been my teacher and prepared me for what is ahead.

So now let this be enough of condemnation and burning bridges in GODs name.

In GOD's name please treat others the way you would wish to be treated.

In love, through love, being love
In peace, through peace, being peace.

Kimxxx

Faithfulservant · 02-26-2005, 12:13 PM

Then why do we feel persecuted by you? Why do you always attack passive aggressively with anti- CF anti -bible anti- american posts in a "kind" way? You think that using positive words takes the sting away? We are not children that we dont understand whats beneath the words. Do you think that you are the only one that can discern the spirits? There are some of us that have the gift the Spirit gave of discerning Spirits. We have not been insulting you we have been rebuking the teachings you are trying to force on us. Which are Anti-Bible Anti-God and Anti-Christ.. in effect you are a false prophet a false teacher and a false Christ according to what the bible teaches us.

You also have done your fair sharing of name calling so please do not act the martyr.. its a bit silly at this point.

Clairvoyance isapparent power to perceive things that are not present to the senses which is also ESP psychic phenomena.. second site..precognition... foreknowledge. Its the the same thing no matter what the root word is from.

Its still divination

Divination is the art or gift of prophecy (or the pretense of prophecy) by supernatural means which is foretelling soothsaying or fortunetelling.. which is done biblically by the means of evil spirits. If you would like biblical proof let me know and I will provide them.

Also.. Im not on mystic boards telling them that everything they believe is false and trying to tell them a better way. So please practice what you preach and treat us like you would like to be treated.

Kind regards
Faithfulservant

Sacredstar · 02-26-2005, 12:22 PM

I have nothing more to say to any of you GOD can speak to you directly.

Love beyond measure

Kim xxx

Faithfulservant · 02-26-2005, 01:47 PM

He does thank you

didymus · 02-26-2005, 04:27 PM

I just want to refer back to the very brief conversation we had of the apocrypha. You say you are better off without them and don't consider them divine. But these books were included in the canon by the same people that put the books in that you do hold true. How do you rationalize this in your mind? Did they make a mistake by putting them in in the first place? Please explain your logic. Thanks

Faithfulservant · 02-26-2005, 04:35 PM

Im going to let Dor answer this one which Im sure he will do tomorrow.. He has more facts and figures than I do on dates and such.. I dont want to say something and be called upon it if its wrong.

Quahom1 · 02-26-2005, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sacredstar

Dear Q

Yes you are correct that will teach me to respond quickly without due thought, yes I did mean a focus for other's hatred. Yes Bush is just a catalyst, the darkness is in those that have the negative thoughts 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder'.

But as Mother Mary promised after the Iraq war began

"There is a new dawn on the horizon and out of the darkness will come the light."

Love beyond measure

Kim

Thank you Sacred for acknowledging my catholic roots, in a kind way. That isn't done often

I believe you when you say Mary made a promise after the latest war in Iraq commenced. Or I believe you saw something and interpreted it as such. My reason is not necessarrily due to blind faith, but due to historical repetitiveness, of such "visions" in the recent past.

The Lady appeared at Lourdes
The Lady appeared at Fatima
The Lady appeared at Medjugorje
The Lady appeared at Guadalupe
The Lady appeared at Akita
The Lady appeared at Zeitoun
The Lady appeared at Garabandal

There were others as well, but each time the Lady petitioned man to turn back to the Son of God, to pray, and to repent. Even secular non-believers achnowledge something strange happening at the time of the apparitions, while the faithful saw in more detail and clarity.

One particularly famous apparition was the Lady of Fatima. She first appeared to three children, but then to others as well, and made three promises if man would repent, and pray. This was in 1917 I think. Any way one of the promises was that Russia would rid itself of communism (Russia was not yet a communist nation, but was in the throws of the Boshliveck revolution), and once again welcome Jesus into the land and hearts of the people. I find it ironic that after 70 years of communism, the coupe staged to overthrow the Soviet Government was rather bloodless...a far cry from its birth in 1917. The first promise was the revelation of Hell as it truly is (not a pretty sight for three small children let alone the rest of us). but the third one was never revealed to the public until 1960. It revealed an assasination attempt of the pope, but that instead of dying, the bullet would be unable to end the life of the "Bishop" of Rome, when for all pretenses it should have. John Paul II was that "Bishop", and the year was 1981. For the secular folk, the one thing clearly documented in the historical records was that hundreds of people reported seeing the Sun move closer to earth, before moving back to its original position. The three children also reported that two of them would die very soon, and this in fact happened.

On a personal note, my mother went to Medjugorje in Bosnia-Herzegovina. I guess you could call it a pilgrimige. She doesn't talk much about what happened, however she brought back a rosary that was made of silver (I know, I've held it), before she left for Europe. Now the rosary (cross) is made of gold blended with silver (verified by a jeweler). What is unique about this is that it is almost impossible to marry silver and gold together (molecularly). The cross is not made of gold and silver side by side, but literally blended together. It can be done (we engineers fuse aluminum and steel together in an explosive welding process called Dato coupling). But it takes a tremendous amount of energy, heat and compression, and is ususally done on large objects, not tiny bits of precious metal.

I don't know if I would call Mother Mary a prophet, but perhaps the visionaries that see her might be considered such. Whether true or false prophets depends on their message, and what the intentions are.

I think that if a "prophet's" message detracts from or leads people away from focusing completely on Jesus as the savior and messiah, that that prophet is false.

One of the interesting things about Mother Mary is that even Jesus did not question her a second time, but obeyed her. (the wedding in Cannan). As I recall Jesus complained that his time was not yet, but his mother seemed to know better. Mothers have a way of doing that...

v/r

Q

lunamoth · 02-27-2005, 02:14 AM

Most interesting stories, Q. Not having been raised Catholic I was not familiar with the Mary visions except in a vague way. I just read today in my Time magazine that the last of those three sisters just died this past week. Hmmm.
peace,
lunamoth

Quahom1 · 02-27-2005, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by lunamoth

Most interesting stories, Q. Not having been raised Catholic I was not familiar with the Mary visions except in a vague way. I just read today in my Time magazine that the last of those three sisters just died this past week. Hmmm.
peace,
lunamoth

Hey Luna,

I'm not saying I believe blindly either. But I wouldn't quite dismiss such things as foolishness either. Oh, elder girl, and two younger cousins, one boy, one girl. The recent death is that of the elder girl. BTW, I didn't know she died until you mentioned it. hmmmm

v/r

Q

Sacredstar · 02-27-2005, 10:52 AM

Dear Q

I agree just because Mother Mary, Jesus or other light beings and messengers of GOD appear before someone does not make them a prophet. I know large numbers of people who enjoy these experiences and feel truly blessed. It certainly is a very humbling experience that impacts on one's life forever. The first time it happened to me in 1997 I thought it would be a one-off experience that changed my life, I had not idea or aspiration that Mother Mary and Jesus were going to become an integral part of my life.

I have a wonderful story to share:

A beautiful young Norwegian girl came to study in England, she came here to get away from her parents and religion. Whilst here she attended a Reiki healing course and while on the course she saw Jesus, Mother Mary and many others following the teacher around the room and touching each person in turn.

This her very first mystical experience brought her back to GOD, her parents and religion. She is now reunited with them in Norway.

Mother Mary as never used the words to repent to me, but hey I have nothing to repent for so why should she. But she does use these words a great deal, patience, forgiveness and compassion. It was Mother Mary that taught me her sons righteous anger was due to his frustration and impatience and so by her sharing her insights and experience I have learnt to be much more patient but it was Jesus that taught me to embrace zero judgement. I was staying with a client for the first time and one of them wanted a sex change, the house was a mess and buried in negative energy and I felt is was draining my own. That night when I laid on a bed of judgement, I woke up to the face of Jesus he had no reason to say anything his eyes said it all. Compassion Kim and so it was in seeing him once more my vibration was raised again and moved forward in positivity to inspire the family to make the appropriate changes for the sake of the children's welfare and well-being.

Glory be to GOD.

Dear All

There is such innocence about the spiritual realms, as we know Jesus was a healer and a healer is an instrument for GOD's power. This power comes through the instrument, there is a channel within the soul that is the channel for all of GOD's power, healing, clairvoyance and mediumship comes through this same channel. There was a time when even spiritualists thought it was different and even they have changed their perspective on how this all works.

Love beyond measure

Kim xxx