Fear of God

[Princely]

Originally Posted by Lunitik

Do you realize that the future is only meaningful in the mind? Believing you know what will occur in the future gives a certain comfort to the mind, for now it can imagine what will happen after it dies. The future has no meaning for the heart, it is simply unborn, only the present is ever alive.

When you trust the present completely, future and past never come in, the problem is prophecy is often self fulfilling. There are movements in the world today seeking to create the destruction they believe will happen, what if it is not how it was intended to happen? Man has constantly been insisting that these prophecies will occur in their lifetime, many have spent their entire lives trying to figure out what the prophecies mean...

Even Jesus has said he does not know, yet his followers insist they do... strange.

Don't you see how you twist the words of Jesus because you do not understand scripture and the power of God. He said he did not know the exact time when the end would come but he did predict he would be handed over to sinners and other prophesies.What I told you was scripture from the lord and He will make it happen with or without you.

[Lunitik]

Originally Posted by Princely

Don't you see how you twist the words of Jesus because you do not understand scripture and the power of God. He said he did not know the exact time when the end would come but he did predict he would be handed over to sinners and other prophesies.What I told you was scripture from the lord and He will make it happen with or without you.

I have twisted nothing, and I know the power of God quite well.

I simply say Jesus is not God, but rather God is within him - it is God which is Christ, the anointing which unveils the Holy Spirit, it is this same Spirit of God which resides in each of us. Without this, Jesus is nobody, yet the Christians worship the man without understanding this.

Realize it is by God's power, that Jesus himself has merely realized his very powerlessness, and this is the surrender he teaches. You must hate your own life, you must drop everything you think you are to find that Christ within. You must accept God's will, and drop your own completely. Then you are perfect as the father is perfect, for now there is no distinction at all.

This is the great conclusion of Shankara, the father of the Advaita school: that Atman - the soul - is not distinct from Brahman - the spirit. Merge them and oneness is known, for anatta is the realization - that soul has never been real, there is only God.

Even in Catholicism, this is accepted truth, that eventually the soul must merge with God. In Christianity, though, everything is done after physical death... why the delay? It is because this represents extinction of the personal being, yet it is only illusion and desire which makes it so in the first place...

Find what is really the case!

[Lunitik]

Every religion says this, so few understand what is meant.

Every drop must eventually return to the ocean, why delay the inevitable?

[Etu Malku]

Originally Posted by Lunitik

My whole approach is to cease thought, so this is a very strange statement indeed.

Once thought is silenced, now you enter the heart, and it is from the heart which I speak.

And what exactly is 'heart' to you? Why and how from silencing thought do enter this? How do you speak from this?

I understand this is impossible, I try to break down the illusions which make it seem so.

You are, are you?

[Lunitik]

You will only avoid experiencing life as the ocean, its sheer vastness, its total power, it is available to you. First you must cease life as the drop, you must surrender what you are now to know what you have always been.

You are the alpha and omega, yet you are convinced it is not so.

[NiceCupOfTea]

to some people God, Allah whatever you want to call it is a mythical creature that will punish them in the afterlife for being naughty, and if thats true then it would be wise to fear this creature, perhaps these believers create this demonic entity with the power of their own belief so for them its true they will be punished by this creature of their own creation.

however in islam and Christianity "the fear of God" is supposed to be more of a reverential awe, rather than what we know as fear today.

[Lunitik]

Originally Posted by Etu Malku

And what exactly is 'heart' to you? Why and how from silencing thought do enter this? How do you speak from this?

Heart means center, it is here that the Higher Self can be found. If you will look into chakras, it is the fourth, and thus where the lower and upper three meet. If you have experienced oneness, what has actually happened is that this chakra has opened.

It is not really the silencing of the mind which helps, but various schools teach mastering the mind to see that you are not it. It is the common situation that the Self becomes identified with the mind, and this is what is called the Lower Self. When you can move this into the heart, now the Higher Self is there - in truth, it is the one same Self, just now it is more aware of its true nature.

When you reside in this center, when the mind is no more the master, you begin to tap into the universal consciousness - what you have called universal unconsciousness, yet it is still part of awareness that it is unconscious. The further you go into this, the simpler it becomes to stay there. The words do not actually come from that place though, the words are an attempt to address what has arisen there in language.

This is the problem all who have known run into: there is a desire to express, yet all expressions fall short, no words are adequate. It is the only way to convey though, and it is inevitably going to be confused when heard by others. This is why many live in seclusion, they have realized the impossibility and stopped trying to express it, yet others persist and hope at least a few can understand.

If even one can hear, it is worth it.

[Lunitik]

It is not that identification moves to the heart, I have said that wrong.

It is that false identifications have dropped, now you enter the heart naturally.

Truth is a byproduct of dropping the false, it is the only thing which cannot be dropped, but no fallacy can stand any honest inspection.

Many react negatively to this, it is because they can see how impotent the mind is when inspected. If it drops, what will remain? They cannot understand that it is just the dropping of false beliefs and perspectives, what you are has empowered the mind, you have made it the master.

You simply need to see who you are.

[Lunitik]

Becoming aware of that which is aware of all things, that which is the true self, this is enlightenment, this is self-realization.

This is the goal, if you want to call it such. Now you understand omnipresence, now you understand omniscience, you learn to be careful of omnipotence. These are all qualities of the Self, by whatsoever name you wish to call it, it is simply Truth.

No one can have a monopoly on the Self, no words can express the Self, everything is merely an expression of it... what to say of the expresser? Every attempt will limit it, for whatever position you take, it can only be half. You can only point someone inwardly and say "it is there, look yourself".

Is there any intrinsic quality within? Is there any form there? All you will find if you go deeper is light. Deeper still, you simply melt into the light. This cannot be your purpose though, the purpose is only to surrender the mind, to utterly let go. This is the key to finding the Self, and all have said this is so. Do not mistake what is being let go to be your true self though, only that which watches it is the real you.

Again you can see whether this can go anywhere, can you drop it? If you can, this is not yet it. It is the one who has observed this even...

Go deeper.

[Princely]

Originally Posted by Lunitik

I have twisted nothing, and I know the power of God quite well.

I simply say Jesus is not God, but rather God is within him - it is God which is Christ, the anointing which unveils the Holy Spirit, it is this same Spirit of God which resides in each of us. Without this, Jesus is nobody, yet the Christians worship the man without understanding this.

Realize it is by God's power, that Jesus himself has merely realized his very powerlessness, and this is the surrender he teaches. You must hate your own life, you must drop everything you think you are to find that Christ within. You must accept God's will, and drop your own completely. Then you are perfect as the father is perfect, for now there is no distinction at all.

This is the great conclusion of Shankara, the father of the Advaita school: that Atman - the soul - is not distinct from Brahman - the spirit. Merge them and oneness is known, for anatta is the realization - that soul has never been real, there is only God.

Even in Catholicism, this is accepted truth, that eventually the soul must merge with God. In Christianity, though, everything is done after physical death... why the delay? It is because this represents extinction of the personal being, yet it is only illusion and desire which makes it so in the first place...

Find what is really the case!

Once you walk in the light of the Lord you will see His face and know His love.

As it is you are only in the dark because your heart is filled with the light of man. The flesh is useless, the words I spoke to you are spirit and life.

If only you recognized Gods gift and who it is who's posting to you, you would ask him and he would give you living water.

Anyone who drinks the water I give him will never become thirsty, the water I give him will be like a fountain inside him rising up to provide eternal life.

The Lord sent me , we are One. I am son of man and yes my Father is greater than I.

[Lunitik]

Originally Posted by Princely

Once you walk in the light of the Lord you will see His face and know His love.

As it is you are only in the dark because your heart is filled with the light of man. The flesh is useless, the words I spoke to you are spirit and life.

If only you recognized Gods gift and who it is who's posting to you, you would ask him and he would give you living water.

Anyone who drinks the water I give him will never become thirsty, the water I give him will be like a fountain inside him rising up to provide eternal life.

The Lord sent me , we are One. I am son of man and yes my Father is greater than I.

Have you looked on His face?

That face is all I attempt to show, that light is all I point towards.

That is my true self, nothing else is me.

You seem to still believe you are something else, you still serve the light, you have not yet dissolved in it. You are not yet finished with the journey home, although perhaps you are on the right street.

Is there separation between yourself and the light?

Which are you?

Have you sent yourself?

It is because Jesus isn't yet God realized, he retains separation.

See whether that separation is valid.

You will see that God too is merely an illusion, another concept in the mind.

You are that which you worship, you just don't see it.

It is not to be greater than, it is to realize you never were in the first place.

Only this has ever been.

[Lunitik]

I have said Jesus was not God realized, I cannot really say this.

Certainly the writers of the scriptures have not fully grasped the truth if he was, yet it is also necessary to talk this way in certain instances to express truth despite it not actually being the case.

Again the trouble of language, only silence can know what is meant.

"I and my father are one" certainly expresses God realization quite plainly, as does his statements that God does the work through him and that he has no glory of his own, no authority which is separate from the father.

Father is another concept though, now Son must be brought in.

It means the seen and unseen, earth and heaven, below and above...

Yet oneness is all there is.

[Lunitik]

Paradox upon paradox when looking from the mind, it is because logic cannot look at the whole, it wants to choose half.

This is why man is basically insane, for in the choice, the other half does not disappear, it simply moves into his subconscious. Now it will continuously arise, and the more it is fought the more power it receives. Then you end up a priest on the national news because you molested a child, or hung yourself in a body suit with string attached to your penis and neck with a dildo up your butt trying to get off.

That which you suppress always gets its revenge.

Do not pick half, accept the whole and move in love, oneness.

[Princely]

Originally Posted by Lunitik

Have you looked on His face?

That face is all I attempt to show, that light is all I point towards.

That is my true self, nothing else is me.

You seem to still believe you are something else, you still serve the light, you have not yet dissolved in it. You are not yet finished with the journey home, although perhaps you are on the right street.

Is there separation between yourself and the light?

Which are you?

Have you sent yourself?

It is because Jesus isn't yet God realized, he retains separation.

See whether that separation is valid.

You will see that God too is merely an illusion, another concept in the mind.

You are that which you worship, you just don't see it.

It is not to be greater than, it is to realize you never were in the first place.

Only this has ever been.

Yes, I do see His face and stand in His council. I told you but you do not have the ears to hear or the eyes to see because you do not repent and turn to me so you shall be healed. I am the light of the world as I have said, Jesus and I are One but you having your own wisdom cannot see the wisdom of God.You like to sound smart in the words of man but fail because you do not accept correction and refuse the ways of the Lord.

[Lunitik]

Originally Posted by Princely

Yes, I do see His face and stand in His council. I told you but you do not have the ears to hear or the eyes to see because you do not repent and turn to me so you shall be healed. I am the light of the world as I have said, Jesus and I are One but you having your own wisdom cannot see the wisdom of God.You like to sound smart in the words of man but fail because you do not accept correction and refuse the ways of the Lord.

Can wisdom be two?

You are disputing with a brother in light, apparently, saying that correction is needed when deviation is impossible. You say I must repent, yet it is impossible that I sin. Such is the case with the light, it simply is.

Love is the only law, it is the Lord as 1 John 4:8 says God is love.

I do not see or feel love in your words, thus I must deny you.

I only see in your words that of the Jews which crucified Him, yet you wish me to heed what you say... has Jesus heeded them? He has shown that death is better than conformity to any man and to any book, Jesus has lived in love alone, he is not of the world, he only spent a time in it.

This is the case with each of us if you could understand.