Fear of God

[Lunitik]

Originally Posted by bhaktajan

All you need know is:

"He is Who He is".

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But no other "Who" before me --said He.

I might suggest you read what Shankara has said on the topic.

[Lunitik]

You are correct in a way though...

Yet Ishwara is not Brahman, for Brahman is that one which Ishwara has arisen in, it is the first statement of awareness: I am.

We must find out the one who has proclaimed it, for Ishwara remains limited, it has certain personality traits, thus is not the absolute, is not the void. We must find out in ourselves what we were before we declared 'I am'.

This same one has taken the name Ishwara, as it takes the name bhaktajan on these forums... find that one.

That one is eternally liberated, this is moksha.

It is the true Self, and it is Brahman.

It is the only.

[Lunitik]

Originally Posted by Princely

continue in my teaching

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1 John 4:8
Whoever does not love does not know the Father, because God is love.

1 John 4:18
There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.

Matthew 5:48
Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
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Basically exactly what I have been saying to you, yet you have not seen it.

Maybe now you will understand your error?

[Princely]

Originally Posted by Lunitik

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1 John 4:8
Whoever does not love does not know the Father, because God is love.

1 John 4:18
There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.

Matthew 5:48
Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
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Basically exactly what I have been saying to you, yet you have not seen it.

Maybe now you will understand your error?

You show me three verses when I have shown you probably hundreds. Don't base your belief on only three verses. You need to know the OT as well to understand the whole story.

I have read all that before but what I have shown you about being perfect you did not understand. Again, it is Gods love, not your kind of love, they are different but again your are blind in your sin. If you do not follow me you will die in your sin.
John should have been teaching as Jesus and I do. Maybe he did but we have no record he did .Read on about love as the Lord wants us to love and how to be perfect. But you won't understand unless you follow me as I follow Him.

This is what I say as he has said. These words are mine as well;

As the Father has loved me, so I have loved you. Live on in in my love.
You will live in my love if you keep my commandments, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and live in his love.... but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and speak.
And since I know that his commandment means eternal life what I say is spoken just as He instructed me."


(Father)I have given them the glory you gave me, so that they may be One, as we are One,
I in them and you in me, that they may be brought to perfection as One, that the world may know that you sent me, and that you loved them even as you loved me.

Unless I wash you, you will have no part of my inheritance.
I have given you an example what I have done that‘s what you must do.
Amen, I say to you, no slave is greater than his master nor any messenger greater than the one who sent him.
Once you know all these things, blessed will you be if you put them into practice.

Whoever has my commandments and keeps them is the one who loves me. And whoever loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and reveal myself to him."
Whoever loves me will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our dwelling with him.
Whoever does not love me does not keep my words;


You talk about love but you do not love me or my Father because you do not keep my words." I know the Lord and I keep His words".Jesus said that also in case you don't know.

Whoever serves me must follow me, where I am, there will my servant be. The Lord will honor whoever serves me.

[Lunitik]

They have made their home here, yet it is not that I serve them...

I am simply no longer here, it is merely their vessel which you are trying to dispute with.

It is only the ego which disputes, the heart can only love.

I try to bring you back to love, and you will not accept...

What are you trying to prove?

These words which you quote are not of the heart, you remain in the mind.

You need the Bible because you do not know the mind which Jesus had.

You must drop the ego to find it, the personal will.

Now you know there is no separation, all is love.

All is supported in the power of the Lord, all is an expression of his energy.

Dissolve in that.

[Lunitik]

When Jesus spoke these words, there was love there.

The way you put them together removes this quality.

That One is not unique to Jesus though, it is what all religions relate. You are still attached to Jesus, you have not let go of this clinging so how can you say you are one now?

Your words are imagination, find out what is carried in them, what is their reality.

The key to the Kingdom is surrender, dissolve in Him.

You only need to let go, He will do the rest.

If you cannot be honest with me, at least be honest with yourself...

You are fooling no one but yourself.

[Lunitik]

If I die in sin despite residing in the Lords grace constantly for at least a year now, so be it, but it seems the Lord is perfectly happy with me.

I do not fear death, for I have known the true life, this is enough.

This is perfected love, this is what I speak of.

If you know that love, if you have gone beyond that passionate obsession humans blaspheme to call love, then you should be able to see it in my words. I feel no life in your words though, so I do not think you are sensitive enough to the spiritual life.

You remain obsessed with Jesus, I do not even obsess about God.

I cannot forget God, for he is always here, what good is obsession?

I only desire others to know this bliss which is unshakable...

I do not think you know it.

It is your birth right to obtain it though, and so I persist to show you it.

The only barrier is you.

Drop this.

[Princely]

You dodge all the scripture that upholds the teaching I show you. Jesus was not always pleasant. He admonished many if you don't remember. You are only trying to make me look bad to yourself because your ego cannot let it go. I've done many works in my Fathers name yet you still do not believe. The reason you do not believe is you are not my sheep. My sheep hear my voice they impersonate me, I know them and they follow me.

It is written;

Psalms 98:2 The Lord has made known his salvation; he has revealed his justice in the sight of all the nations. He has remembered his kindness and faithfulness to the house of Israel. All the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God.

106:3 Blessed are those who observe what is right, who do always what is just.

111:10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom; all those who practice it possess virtue. His praise endures forever.

119:1 Blessed are those whose way is blameless, who walk in the law of the Lord. Blessed are those who keep his decrees, who seek him with their whole heart, who do no wrong, but walk in his ways.

128:1 Happy is everyone who fears the Lord, who walks in his ways. You shall eat the fruit of the labor of your hands; you shall be happy, and it shall go well with you.

I am the resurrection and the life; anyone who believes in me, even though he died, he will come to life, and everyone who lives and believes in me will never die.

[Lunitik]

Originally Posted by Princely

You dodge all the scripture that upholds the teaching I show you.

It is because I am not addressing the scripture, I am addressing you.

This grace is all the scripture I require, when I oblige it bliss persists, when I waver it is almost as torture for my being.

I am not Christian, I am not Muslim, I am not Hindu, I am not Buddhist, I am not Sikh, I am not Baha'i, I am not Jewish, I am not Sufi, I am not Hasidic, I am not Kabalist, I am simply nothing.

That nothingness is unflavored Zen, pure peace.

You have no peace.

[Lunitik]

Fear brings the ignorant in line, love keeps the wise there.

[Lunitik]

Fighting sin can take a lifetime.

Filling yourself with love, sin simply evaporates.

Why fight the darkness when you can simply turn on the light?

In this the Bible takes utterly the wrong approach.

It is why the children of Abraham have never known peace.

How can peace come through hate?

[Lunitik]

This is a beautiful description of Zen.

It is what Jesus meant when he said the Kingdom of God is within you, Zen is simply to look at and remain constantly aware of that place inside you.

Nothing else is necessary at all.

[Princely]

Originally Posted by Lunitik

This is a beautiful description of Zen.

It is what Jesus meant when he said the Kingdom of God is within you, Zen is simply to look at and remain constantly aware of that place inside you.

Nothing else is necessary at all.

No, that is a misrepresentation by those who do not abide in me. He said" The kingdom of God is among you." And that was because He was there at that time.

If you abide in me and my words remain part of you, you may ask what you will and it shall be done for you.

You do not understand peace. I am the prince of peace. I am the first and I am the last the One who lives, once I died but now I live forever and ever.

It is written;

In days to come Jacob shall take root, Israel shall sprout and blossom, covering all the world with fruit. Is he to be smitten as his smiter was smitten? or slain as his slayer was slain? Or shall he cling to me for refuge? He must make peace with me; peace shall he make with me! This, then, shall be the expiation of Jacob's guilt, this will remove all of his sin:

[Lunitik]

Originally Posted by Princely

No, that is a misrepresentation by those who do not abide in me. He said" The kingdom of God is among you." And that was because He was there at that time.

Please re-read Luke 17:20-21, it says:

And having been questioned by the Pharisees, when the reign of God doth come, he answered them, and said, 'The reign of God doth not come with observation; nor shall they say, Lo, here; or lo, there; for lo, the reign of God is within you'.

This is the literal translation, and makes perfectly clear that it does not mean because Jesus was there, for it is Jesus saying it is not here, it cannot be observed in the outer world, you must go within.

Yet still Christians look without for signs of the return of Christ.

He goes on to describe the experience of enlightenment:

Then he said to his disciples, “The time is coming when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it. People will tell you, ‘There he is!’ or ‘Here he is!’ Do not go running off after them. For the Son of Man in his day will be like the lightning, which flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other. But first he must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.

This is an inner experience. He goes on:

“It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. On that day no one who is on the housetop, with possessions inside, should go down to get them. Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything. Remember Lot’s wife! Whoever tries to keep their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life will preserve it. I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.”

He says you must not cherish your life as it is now, you must not hesitate to go into the light. Who are the two people? They are the will and the soul, only the soul will be spared.

You can also say when Dharmakaya is found, anatta or no-self is realized. You can also say that when Brahman is found, atma is realized to be maya. Many have said it in different ways, and only in looking at them all can you get some idea of what is actually intended - of course experience is the only true revealer of truth.

The Bible does not speak in fleshly words, it is not concerned with the world of concepts, it is concerned with the spiritual meaning in the words - yet few understand them in this way.

[Lunitik]

Will is of mind, soul is of heart.

Will is masculine, soul is feminine.

Only the feminine surrenders, the masculine wants to conquer all.

God cannot be conquered, existence cannot be conquered.

What possible chance does the drop have against the ocean?

He says you will lose your life if you try to preserve it as it is now, he means you will miss the opportunity for grace, for peaceful love and bliss.

He says if you will surrender to it, you will preserve your life, you will have life abundantly... and this is all love is, it is the very peak of energy, abundant energy. Such energy that you cannot contain it, it will burst out, you will rush around trying to share it with all that it is not wasted.

Let those that can hear, hear.