Give me any statement .....

[islamis4u]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

"You are my witnesses," declares YHWH, "and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me" (Isaiah 43:10).

"Jesus said, 'My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working.' For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God" (John 5:17-18).

"Then Jesus, still teaching in the temple courts, cried out, 'Yes, you know me, and you know where I am from. I am not here on my own, but he who sent me is true. You do not know him, but I know him because I am from him and he sent me'" (John 7:28-29).

"Then they asked him, 'Where is your father?' 'You do not know me or my Father,' Jesus replied. 'If you knew me, you would know my Father also'" (John 8:19) "

'I tell you the truth,' Jesus answered, 'before Abraham was born, I am!'" (John 8:58).

"I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).

'What about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, "I am God's Son"? Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.' Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp." (John 10:36-39).

"'If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.' Philip said, 'Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.' Jesus answered: 'Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, "Show us the Father"? Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.'" (John 14:7-11, 20).

"After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: 'Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began'" (John 17:1-5).

"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me" (John 17:20-21).

"Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, you may believe that I am he. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receives whomsoever I send receives me; and he that receives me receives him that sent me." (John 13:19-20)

"I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." (John 8:12)

"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending,...Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death." (Revelations)

Jesus said he was equal with God making himself God, there is no question at all in the communication between Jesus and those that heard him at that time. Jesus says he is I am just as the Father is I am, sharing the glory and the names and attributes of the Father. This is him doing and saying, I am God, in more ways than one.

Can you read into Y H W H the word Jehovah? I cannot. "No!", says the Jehovah's Witness, "we ought to add vowels to these four consonents to produce the sound. Originally, both Hebrew and Arabic were written without the vowel signs The native of each language was able to read if even without those vowels. Not so the outsider, for whose benefit the vowels were invented.

i havnt found any which will i know you are not qouting Jesus(pbuh) yet you are qouting someone else, even if for your sake i agree it is from Jesus(pbuh) i cant find anything which says that He(pbuh) is God Nouzbillah.

'You qoute i and my father and one'
That does not me they are same that mean in their aim they are same.

You qoute many other but it does not at any point says that im God or worship me rather this is what a church which teaches you? You will say this points out to this and that, i can point thousand of things out of it.

[BlaznFattyz]

I just gave you many names of God, and many statements that show who God is. maybe it is a matter of only knowing a book that says God is one, and not having the book that shows how God has revealed himself that make you not see what i am saying. if the father and the son are both glorified, both called saviour, both worshiped, both called eternal life, both called I am, both being YHWH, both being the redeemer, both being called the creator, and both being called Lord and God, then i am saying to you in many different ways that Christ is God, then we can go into forgiveness of sins...

[mee]

I and the Father are one."JOHN 10; 30

or, "at unity." Lit., "one (thing)." Gr., hen, neuter, to show oneness in cooperation

[islamis4u]

You all are quoting me not Jesus(PBUH) okay you are quoting John okay and you in other post a Christian have said that their belief do not depend on book rather on Jesus(PBUH) so qoute me Jesus(PBUH) !!!!

[BlaznFattyz]

You are my witnesses, says YHWH, and my servant whom I have chosen: that you may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am YHWH; and beside me there is no saviour. I have declared, and have saved, and I have shown, when there was no strange god among you: therefore you are my witnesses, says YHWH, that I am God. Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it? Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am. From now on I am telling you before it comes to pass, so that when it does occur, you may believe that I am He. Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins...and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.

[mee]

Originally Posted by islamis4u

Can you give me any unequivocal statement of Bible Where Jesus he himself says Im God or worship me?

NO because there isnt any, He never claimed to be God thats why



Jesus Christ himself said, "The Father is greater than I am" and referred to the Father as his God, "the only true God." (Joh 14:28; 17:3; 20:17; Mr 15:34; Re 1:1; 3:12)

On numerous occasions Jesus expressed his inferiority and subordination to his Father. (Mt 4:9, 10; 20:23; Lu 22:41, 42; Joh 5:19; 8:42; 13:16)


Even after Jesus’ ascension into heaven his apostles continued to present the same picture.—1Co 11:3; 15:20, 24-28; 1Pe 1:3; 1Jo 2:1; 4:9, 10.


sticking to what Jesus really taught is the way to go

[mee]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

You are my witnesses, says YHWH, and my servant whom I have chosen: that you may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am YHWH; and beside me there is no saviour. I have declared, and have saved, and I have shown, when there was no strange god among you: therefore you are my witnesses, says YHWH, that I am God. Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?



Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am. From now on I am telling you before it comes to pass, so that when it does occur, you may believe that I am He. Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins...and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.

I have seprated these two scriptures for a purpose ,the first one is referring to the most high (Jehovah) and he has his witnesses .
ISAIAH 43;10-11


the second verse is Jesus telling the Jews that even before Abrahnm was born he had been around , and he was telling the truth ,because Jesus had a pre-human life in the heavens before he came to the earth . he lived in heaven with his father Jehovah before he came to the earth .



because I have come down from heaven to do, not my will, but the will of him that sent me
JOHN 6;38



Jesus said to them: "If God were YOUR Father, YOU would love me, for from God I came forth and am here. Neither have I come of my own initiative at all, but that One sent me forth. JOHN 8;42

"For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. For God sent forth his Son into the world, not for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him. John 3;16-17




Jesus is not God he is Gods son

[mee]

Originally Posted by islamis4u

You all are quoting me not Jesus(PBUH) okay you are quoting John okay and you in other post a Christian have said that their belief do not depend on book rather on Jesus(PBUH) so qoute me Jesus(PBUH) !!!!

You heard that I said to you, I am going away and I am coming back to you. If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am." (John 14:6-28)

[cyberpi]

Jesus (pbuh) said that anyone who will do the will of Allah (swt) is his brother, or his mother, or his sister... in the gospels.

Then he also prostrated in prayer and said, "not my will, but your will be done"... in the gospels.

So maybe I'm a bit biased, listening to Jesus (pbuh). For those who may have problem with the word 'Allah' being in the Gospels, go pick up an Arabic translated bible.

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by mee

Jesus is not God he is Gods son

Jesus is the Word of God, who is God, and emptied himself so he could be born a man under the law, and to die on the cross. Greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. So God has shown the greatest love all. In Jesus Christ is grace, salvation and eternal life. try to step out of the box o' brainwash for a second and see that God is salvation, Jesus is salvation. God is a light to our path, Jesus is a light to our path. God is truth, Jesus is truth. God is life, Jesus is life. Yes the father is greater, in that the Word of God proceeded from the Father to die for our sins. Yet he is glorified back to the Father, and sits on the throne of God, where he is worshiped as God and declared God by God, and has subjected all things under him, because all things were created through him and for him.

[cyberpi]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

Jesus is the Word of God, who is God, and emptied himself so he could be born a man under the law, and to die on the cross. Greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. So God has shown the greatest love all. In Jesus Christ is grace, salvation and eternal life. try to step out of the box o' brainwash for a second and see that God is salvation, Jesus is salvation. God is a light to our path, Jesus is a light to our path. God is truth, Jesus is truth. God is life, Jesus is life. Yes the father is greater, in that the Word of God proceeded from the Father to die for our sins. Yet he is glorified back to the Father, and sits on the throne of God, where he is worshiped as God and declared God by God, and has subjected all things under him, because all things were created through him and for him.

Are you a brother or sister or Mom of Jesus?

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by islamis4u

Can you give me any unequivocal statement of Bible Where Jesus he himself says Im God or worship me?

I think Blaze provided adequate examples of where Jesus declared his identity. However I'll add one more point. In the new testament, it clearly states that they worshipped Him (Jesus), and he did not stop, nor forbid them, like the prophets did. Indeed, when Jesus was eating at the house of a pharisee, and Mary Magdallen annointed his feet with alabaster oil and washed them with her tears and dried them with her hair...the elders attempted to reprove her from "worshipping" Jesus ... who then rebuked them for doing so. He told them they gave Jesus no water to wash his feet, yet she washed his feet with her tears, they gave him no linen , yet she dried his feet with her hair, they gave no oil for annointing, yet she annointed him with the finest of oils, and they were astounded that he would allow this.

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

Are you a brother or sister or Mom of Jesus?

I am a follower of Christ. Those that follow Christ are my brothers, as we are all redeemed by the blood of Christ; therefore, we are all part of God's kingdom. I do not worship my brother, but i worship Christ, because he is my Lord God and Saviour--that is the distinction.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by islamis4u

Can you read into Y H W H the word Jehovah? I cannot. "No!", says the Jehovah's Witness, "we ought to add vowels to these four consonents to produce the sound. Originally, both Hebrew and Arabic were written without the vowel signs The native of each language was able to read if even without those vowels. Not so the outsider, for whose benefit the vowels were invented.

i havnt found any which will i know you are not qouting Jesus(pbuh) yet you are qouting someone else, even if for your sake i agree it is from Jesus(pbuh) i cant find anything which says that He(pbuh) is God Nouzbillah.

'You qoute i and my father and one'
That does not me they are same that mean in their aim they are same.

You qoute many other but it does not at any point says that im God or worship me rather this is what a church which teaches you? You will say this points out to this and that, i can point thousand of things out of it.

Um, the Hebrew language has no "vowels" however, the dipthong of the sound of the consenants carry over to the next consenant to form the sound Yahweh. Jehovah is an English translation of the sound Yahweh.

Jesus also declared, "before Abraham was, I Am." That has a great deal of meanings to it (or depth of meanings). Before Abraham (expressing the past) was (indicating future Abraham), I Am. This is an eternally Present statement, indicating no restriction to linear time. Only God is outside of time.

[Lecter]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Um, the Hebrew language has no "vowels" however,
Jesus also declared, "before Abraham was, I Am." That has a great deal of meanings to it (or depth of meanings). Before Abraham (expressing the past) was (indicating future Abraham), I Am. This is an eternally Present statement, indicating no restriction to linear time. Only God is outside of time.

The Old Testament makes the same statement about Solomon, is he also God?

Proverbs 8:22-31

22"The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works,
before his deeds of old;

23 I was appointed from eternity,
from the beginning, before the world began.

... and so on till verse 31.

Also the translation of this word is different that the word used in the Old Testament by god.

The phrase "I am" of Exodus is translated as HO ON. However, the words of Jesus, "I am", have been given to us in Greek as EGO EIMI. So the writers clearly weren't trying to indicate Jesus was claiming the same as god.
A correct translation of such a verse would be:

"Jesus said to them, 'I tell you, I existed before Abraham was born' "

By the way the same word is used in the same Gospel to refer to someone else:

John 9:9
"Some said, This is he (the beggar): others [said], He is like him: [but] he said,I AM [he]."

Does this mean by the Christian's logic that the beggar is also God? of course not.