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17th Angel · 08-01-2008, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by juantoo3

Mohammed could not read or write

Correct.

juantoo3 · 08-01-2008, 01:05 PM

OK, so if we have to dismiss Jesus for not writing his own words...what do we do with Mohammed, if Mohammed did not write either? All we have is what others *say* he said.

17th Angel · 08-01-2008, 01:14 PM

That's all we've ever got Unless your name is McFly.

Vajradhara · 08-01-2008, 10:46 PM

Namaste juan,

to be perfectly frank i find the claims regarding the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to be somewhat doubtful in that based on my understanding of business, a being that cannot read or write would tend to be very disadvantaged and wouldn't likely be successful yet that is what Muhammad (pbuh) was.

i suppose it could be a sort of business where literacy and writing aren't important, i just don't know what that business is.

the more salient point, however, is that such only presents an issue for a certain sort of Christian, what i term a BibleISM adherent. if one isn't a BibleISM adherent then the issue simply doesn't exist.

metta,

~v

cyberpi · 08-01-2008, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex P

I never did the "works" of my father.... And he didn't do the works of his...

I don't see how that is -wisdom-..... I see that as a statement that should be rephrased... Maybe change children to followers. :P Besides the christian god created us all from the same production line... So we are all related and of one family... But do we all do the "works" of jesus? Or more importantly the works of god?

I submit that rather than defining the 'works', that passage defines the relationship of father and son, of children and who children follow.

Verses like the following then unfold into something more:

Genesis 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

The trinitarian or JiG follower like Blazn won't see it that way, so I expand it: If you were a Son of Christ then you would do the works of Christ.

17th Angel · 08-01-2008, 11:31 PM

Vajra

In hadiths the word Ummi is used to describe Muhammad... Which is Arabnic for illiterate? Someone wanna confirm? Cause I was cock sure that he could not read nor write...

Quahom1 · 08-01-2008, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Vajradhara

Namaste juan,

to be perfectly frank i find the claims regarding the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to be somewhat doubtful in that based on my understanding of business, a being that cannot read or write would tend to be very disadvantaged and wouldn't likely be successful yet that is what Muhammad (pbuh) was.

i suppose it could be a sort of business where literacy and writing aren't important, i just don't know what that business is.

the more salient point, however, is that such only presents an issue for a certain sort of Christian, what i term a BibleISM adherent. if one isn't a BibleISM adherent then the issue simply doesn't exist.

metta,

~v

There is also the small matter of the term "prophet", which implies one who makes prophecy that comes true. Forgive me for my daftness, but I fail to find a "prophecy" let alone prophecies, that the good man Mohomad made, to begin with, let alone any coming true...

The Bible and the Bible's Jesus however, seem to be a different matter all together... but perhaps I am in error...

Quahom1 · 08-01-2008, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex P

Vajra

In hadiths the word Ummi is used to describe Muhammad... Which is Arabnic for illiterate? Someone wanna confirm? Cause I was cock sure that he could not read nor write...

He could not read, nor write...and his "revelations" were not penned for a couple hundred years after his death. Ironically, Jesus was shewn to read and actually "wrote"...but what he wrote in the dirt, was wiped away by his own hand, after the witnesses viewed it. The only comment in the bible about this is that Jesus began writing in the sand, but no one extrapilated on what it was he had written...

Never the less, Jesus wrote something, and read from scripture as he taught in the synagogues... and quoted the same often enough.

17th Angel · 08-02-2008, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberpi

I submit that rather than defining the 'works', that passage defines the relationship of father and son, of children and who children follow.

Verses like the following then unfold into something more:

Genesis 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

The trinitarian or JiG follower like Blazn won't see it that way, so I expand it: If you were a Son of Christ then you would do the works of Christ.

So sounding dumb... What's a JiG?

cyberpi · 08-02-2008, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex P

So sounding dumb... What's a JiG?

1. A custom made idol used for holding the piece to be worked-on in a correct position relative to its associated tool.
2. (music) A light, brisk musical movement; a gigue
3. (Irish music and dance) A dance in 6-8 time.
4. (English Morris dancing) A dance by one or two individual dancers as opposed to a dance performed by a set or team.
5. (Fishing) A lure, consisting of a hook molded into a weight, usually with a bright or colorful body.

17th Angel · 08-02-2008, 12:50 AM

Thanks.

Quahom1 · 08-02-2008, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberpi

1. A custom made idol used for holding the piece to be worked-on in a correct position relative to its associated tool.
2. (music) A light, brisk musical movement; a gigue
3. (Irish music and dance) A dance in 6-8 time.
4. (English Morris dancing) A dance by one or two individual dancers as opposed to a dance performed by a set or team.
5. (Fishing) A lure, consisting of a hook molded into a weight, usually with a bright or colorful body.

It is what one uses to make something else...simple enough?

Quahom1 · 08-02-2008, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex P

Thanks.

don't put up with that...

17th Angel · 08-02-2008, 02:16 AM

Put up with what? Jig to me is a word for trick and I was confused by the post.

Quahom1 · 08-02-2008, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex P

Put up with what? Jig to me is a word for trick and I was confused by the post.

The play on words used by some to attempt to give you the feeling that you aren't as intelligent as they are. When in fact, your art shows you to be light years ahead of all of us...

"Jig" is a pattern or mold, or block, used to form a shape that still is in our mind, and about to become reality...sound familiar? lol