God & god - "Know ye not that ye are gods?"

[Brad Watson, Miami]

The use of the Capital G in 'God' defines it as "The One, The Creator, the Supreme Being, Yehowah (YHWH), Allah, etc." The use of the small case g in 'god' defines it as "one deity in a pantheon of deities", plural: 'gods'.


Jesus son of Joseph stated, "Know ye not that ye are gods?" This famous quote is seemingly never addressed in sermons or in print. Let's address it now! Comments?

[AndrewX]

We are Gods-in-the-Becoming, just as was the Being that communicated to and through Moses (et al). Difference?

MANY, many cycles of evolution (via rebirth) occur, which propel mankind well beyond the Human Kingdom, through the 5th Kingdom (of Souls, of God, aka Heaven). Eventually, SOME men experience the stage of a Planetary Lord, and THIS is the stage of spiritual evolution of the `God' Who spoke via Moses, Jesus, etc.

We, also, shall one day pass through that stage, although it is so far into our future that it cannot be fathomed. Nor can any of us realize what that stage of evolution may be like ... but this does not mean we cannot Aspire, and TRY!

There's my 2 cents.

[Lunitik]

Originally Posted by AndrewX

We are Gods-in-the-Becoming, just as was the Being that communicated to and through Moses (et al). Difference?

MANY, many cycles of evolution (via rebirth) occur, which propel mankind well beyond the Human Kingdom, through the 5th Kingdom (of Souls, of God, aka Heaven). Eventually, SOME men experience the stage of a Planetary Lord, and THIS is the stage of spiritual evolution of the `God' Who spoke via Moses, Jesus, etc.

We, also, shall one day pass through that stage, although it is so far into our future that it cannot be fathomed. Nor can any of us realize what that stage of evolution may be like ... but this does not mean we cannot Aspire, and TRY!

There's my 2 cents.

It is because you consider it something for the future that it is not herenow.

God is always herenow, because only in the present is there life - mind wants to go between past and future, but neither are existential. Let go into the now and you will know the truth of what you say: you are God.

[NiceCupOfTea]

i must admit that i dont understand the context on this quote, perhaps understand the context is the key to understanding what Jesus was talking about.

[NiceCupOfTea]

here is a bit more of it to get a feel for the context

John 10:33-40
New International Version (NIV)
33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’[a]? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside— 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? 37 Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. 38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” 39 Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp.

40 Then Jesus went back across the Jordan to the place where John had been baptizing in the early days. There he stayed,

[AndrewX]

I think what Jesus was trying to get us to see is that the Divine Potential dwells within each of us. The audience he was addressing had clearly forgotten this Truth.

Christ asked, Why are you penalizing me for doing God's Work? And if the implication is, " ... because clearly, YE are not doing it!" - then I don't think he meant to be a smartass about it. It was an opportunity to remind us of our Spiritual Calling, as well as a chance to defend himself for the Good Work which he was doing, because SENT to do.

Each of us has the Christ Potential. FEW have demonstrated or manifested this to its FULLEST (vide Ephesians 4:13). When you can show that YOU have fulfilled what you are called to do, FULLY, you will become as the reference in Revelation 3:12 ... and "go out no more."

Yes, each of us CAN be Christ. It just takes awhile ... and certainly Lunitik, as they say, if wishes were horses ...

[Brad Watson, Miami]

Originally Posted by AndrewX

We are Gods-in-the-Becoming.

Andrew X,

A BIG part of the op was a grammar lesson on the use of 'God' and 'gods', yet you incorrectly used "Gods". There is no "Gods" in the English language. You should have used "gods-in-the-Becoming".

Regarding the rest of your post, are those exclusively your own conclusions? What evidence do you have?

[Brad Watson, Miami]

Originally Posted by Lunitik

It is because you consider it something for the future that it is not herenow. God is always herenow, because only in the present is there life - mind wants to go between past and future, but neither are existential. Let go into the now and you will know the truth of what you say: you are God.

Lunitik,

Just because our physicallity cannot escape 'here-and-now' does not mean that the there-and-then does not exist. Our existence is both in the here-and-now (obvious) and in the there-and-then (not so obvious).

And "you are God" is grammatically and philosophically incorrect! "You are a god" can be correct if someone is exhibitihg godlike attributes.


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[Princely]

Originally Posted by Brad Watson, Miami

The use of the Capital G in 'God' defines it as "The One, The Creator, the Supreme Being, Yehowah (YHWH), Allah, etc." The use of the small case g in 'god' defines it as "one deity in a pantheon of deities", plural: 'gods'.


Jesus son of Joseph stated, "Know ye not that ye are gods?" This famous quote is seemingly never addressed in sermons or in print. Let's address it now! Comments?

Jesus is a son of man just as those who do the will of God are. The son of man is the son of God because He does Gods will.The scripture Jesus quoted " I said you are gods, all of you are sons of the most High",comes from when God was talking through a prophet in the book of Psalms 82:6. He is addressing the house of Israel who were suppose to spread the word of the Lord but did not.After all didn' the Lord say Israel was His son. He said "Israel is my son my first born, let my son go so he can serve me.The key word there is serve.

Example;

Psalms; 1:5 The wicked will not stand in judgment, nor sinners in the company of the just; 6 for the Lord watches over the way of the just, but the way of the wicked will perish.

2:7 I will proclaim the decree of the Lord: He said to me, "You are my son; today I have begotten you. 8 Ask of me, and I will make the nations your heritage, and the ends of the earth your possession. 9 You shall break them with a rod of iron, and dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel." 10 Now therefore, O kings, be wise; be warned, O rulers of the earth. 11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice before Him.

4:5 Offer just sacrifice, and trust in the Lord.

11:7 For the Lord is just; he loves just works; the upright shall behold his face.
17:15 As for me, I shall behold your face in righteousness; I shall be content in your presence.


19:7 The law of the Lord is perfect, reviving the soul; the decrees of the Lord are trustworthy, making wise the simple8 The precepts of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart; the commandment of the Lord is clear, enlightening the eyes; 9 the fear of the Lord is pure, enduring forever; the ordinances of the Lord are true all of them just.

24:3 Who can climb the mountain of the Lord? Who may stand in his holy place? 4 He whose hands are sinless, and whose heart is clean.

25:12 When a man fears the Lord, He will teach him the way he should choose. 13 He will abide in prosperity, and his descendants shall inherit the land. 14 The friendship of the Lord is with those who fear him, and he makes his covenant known to them.

28:8 The Lord is the strength of his people; the saving refuge of his anointed.

33:4 For the word of the Lord is upright, and all his works are truthful. 5 He loves justice and right;

"Truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born from above."
"Truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit. Flesh makes flesh, spirit makes spirit. Do not be surprised that I tell you, you must all be born from above.
The wind blows where it wills, and you can hear the sound it makes, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes; so it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.

I do nothing on my own; I judge as I hear, and my judgment is just, because I’m not seeking my own will but the will of the one who sent me.

I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me will never hunger, and whoever believes in me will never thirst.
Everything that the Lord gives me will come to me, and I will not reject anyone who comes to me,
because I came down from heaven not to do my own will but the will of the one who sent me.
And this is the will of the one who sent me, that I should lose nothing of what he gave me, but that I should raise it on the last day.
For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him possesses eternal life, and I shall raise him on the last day.
No one can come to me unless the Lord who sent me draws him, and I will raise him on the last day.
It is written in the prophets: They shall all be taught by God. Everyone who listens to my Father and learns from him comes to me.
Not that anyone has seen God only the one who is from God has seen the Lord.
Truly I say to you, whoever believes possesses eternal life.

When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will realize that I AM, and that I do nothing on my own, but I only say what the Lord has taught me.
For the one who sent me is with me. He has not deserted me, because I always do what pleases him.

I am son of man. I am the way the truth and the life. Jesus and the Father sent me. We are One. Follow the son of man and proclaim the word of the Lord.

[Gatekeeper]

Originally Posted by Brad Watson, Miami

The use of the Capital G in 'God' defines it as "The One, The Creator, the Supreme Being, Yehowah (YHWH), Allah, etc." The use of the small case g in 'god' defines it as "one deity in a pantheon of deities", plural: 'gods'.


Jesus son of Joseph stated, "Know ye not that ye are gods?" This famous quote is seemingly never addressed in sermons or in print. Let's address it now! Comments?

I agree, but what are the overall implications? The following may seem to be radical, but bear with me and at least consider the implications. I need to tell one story in order to convey my understanding. Satan is a term used to identify an adversary. Take the account of the fall of man for example: The serpent (who became the voice of opposition) was already in the garden, yet all things were declared very good. It wasn't until Eve was tempted and deceived that the serpent became an adversary. If Satan was actually cast to the earth prior to the fall, then God would not have declared all things very good as Satan would have already been a fallen angel.


Everything God made was very good in the beginning, so Adam and Eve already knew good. The forbidden tree was good, the serpent (our desires and thoughts) was good, and everything that God had made was good prior to one act of disobedience. The serpent is simply mankind's inner voice, our innermost self seeking desires, which aren't bad until they begin to lead us to oppose what God desires for us. Our thoughts and our desires are often tempting, seducing, and alluring when entertained. They are able to ever so subtly lead us to disobey God. Satan is the inner voice of opposition and doubt, yet Satan can also be other human beings as in the case of Job. Satan simply means adversary.


The serpent (our inner voice of opposition) was cursed to consume the dust of the ground for the rest of his days after Adam and Eve disobeyed God. We are made from the dust of the ground, thus it was when Satan was cast to the earth that Satan (the serpent) was cursed to consume humanity, whereby Adam and Eve became Satan's angels (children of disobedience and adversaries to God).


"And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world— he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him."


They were cast down with Satan; they fell from paradise (heaven) because they yielded to their doubts, they yielded to our inner most desires, they yielded to self and forsake God's statutes. Adam and Eve had became disobedient children of the devil, they had forsake God's statutes and yielded to self desire, thus lost their innocence in the process.


"I have said, Ye are gods (Elohim); and all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes."


"What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels (Elohim) and hast crowned him with glory and honour."


We are elohim (gods/angels) fallen from heaven (paradise). Once obedient children of God (Elohim) now disobedient children of Satan (that which opposes God's will for us/adversary). The good news is that Jesus came to show us the way home, the way back to paradise (heaven). Jesus embodied the fullness of the Godhead. In other words, Jesus was born part of God's eternal family unit. Our Father is spirit (Breath of life) and the Holy Spirit is love (The essence of God). Those born again of the Holy spirit are eternal children of God, just as Jesus was a Son of God.


Adam was an immortal Son of God prior to falling, but he became, like all who came after, mortal sons of men (children of disobedience), which is why Jesus says we must be born again of the Holy Spirit (love) in order for us to become a part of the God's eternal Family again.


"The wages of sin are death" We are gods (angels/children) of the most high, who fell from heaven (paradise) by our disobedience. "I have said, Ye are gods (Elohim); and all of you are [U]children of the most High. We are children of the most high who fell from paradise, and in order to regain our immortality, we must once again yield to God (who is life and love).

[wil]

And were there capitols used in the bible?

Were they two different words, to different references in the original language.

If you care to look, this has been debated repeatedly here on this site.

Your point of G!d vs. gods reminds me of our atheist friends who proclaim, "Why we only believe in ONE less G!d than you!"

[Lunitik]

Originally Posted by Brad Watson, Miami

Just because our physicallity cannot escape 'here-and-now' does not mean that the there-and-then does not exist. Our existence is both in the here-and-now (obvious) and in the there-and-then (not so obvious).

If you have eyes to see, there and then is simply part of here and now.

Originally Posted by Brad Watson, Miami

And "you are God" is grammatically and philosophically incorrect! "You are a god" can be correct if someone is exhibitihg godlike attributes.

I am not concerned with what is grammatically or philosophically correct, these are mind exercises, I am not speaking in such limited terms. If you realize what I say, there are certainly Godly attributes, but that is not something important.

[sobon50]

According to this new site... we may make up God.

thesomervillehypothesis.com

David

[Tobyvb]

We are all God, and we are gods in our individual right. You want to obtain your god status? Then be an agent for God, and do right on yourself and others. You have to be capable of seeing God with out freaking out. The truth doesn't need to be so scary or weird. If you know it is truth then adore it.

[Etu Malku]

Originally Posted by Brad Watson, Miami

Andrew X,

A BIG part of the op was a grammar lesson on the use of 'God' and 'gods', yet you incorrectly used "Gods". There is no "Gods" in the English language. You should have used "gods-in-the-Becoming".

Regarding the rest of your post, are those exclusively your own conclusions? What evidence do you have?

I'm certain Andrew will have a better reply, but I just wanted to bring up the idea that what you are implying (both God and gods) has absolutely no evidence for their existence either, so for arguments sake and in order to have this discussion, we should agree that there are gods or a God to talk about.

I am in agreement with Andrew that we all have the ability to become a God . . . apotheosis is an important principle in Luciferianism.