God and UFOs

[Faithfulservant]

Originally Posted by citizenzen

What do the aliens say? I don't recall reading any of their quotes.



FS, the UFO/Alien legend has been around long enough for everybody to know the story. They repeat the same story in order to legitimize their experience amongst others who also believe. If I say that I was kidnapped by small gray beings with big eyes, I'm an alien abductee. If I say that I was kidnapped by pink brains with octopus-like tentacles, I'm a nut-job who should be put away.

Once legends become commonly known, then the stories fall into the accepted pattern. I've never heard of a sighting of a 4 foot-tall bigfoot. Do you suppose they're born 8 feet tall?

You asked a question and I answered the question then you belittle me for my answer. I really think you are an ass that has nothing else better to do than post on various forums because you need to make yourself feel better by making other people feel bad. you are a bully..

sorry brian for this personal attack but I had to stick up for myself.

[citizenzen]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

You asked a question and I answered the question then you belittle me for my answer.

How did I belittle you?

Don't worry about the personal attack. That's like water off a duck's back.

[sunyatasamsara]

I would guess there are at least 3000-5000 species of aliens more advanced than us in our galaxy alone. I got that number from some scientists who made an equation.

[Thomas]

Originally Posted by citizenzen

My questions:

1. What are your thoughts on life on other worlds and how your religious beliefs influence your opinion as to its existence.

My religious beliefs don't influence my opinions in this issue ... science does.

From a scientific viewpoint however, I do challenge the Copernican view that the universe/s are essentially the same, and the distribution of stuff is the generally the same throughout, which would therefore infer that the chances of life evolving are the same, everywhere, in effect that it's almost a given that life must exist elsewhere.

However, that assumption is challenged by recent scientific findings (according to New Scientist) that suggests that the distribution is not equal, at least, not equal enough for people to assert that the same general conditions that prevail here must prevail elsewhere, and that we don't know enough about the universe/s to make such assumptions based on anything but faith.

Furthermore, articles and opinions argue that for a whole host of reasons earth is 'just right' for life, not too big, not too small, not too far, not too near ... tektonic plate movement as a necessary prerequisite ... and to suppose that life will evolve on other planets that match the precise 'just right' criteria is also itself something of a leap of faith.

In fact, people who argue science against religion often argue that across the millenia there have been so many astounding 'flukes' and 'chances' along the way in the development of this solar system, this planet, organic life, humanity, etc. etc, as to render the odds against the emergence of human life as almost incalculable ... yet the same people will argue that life 'must' occur elsewhere, which argues that such 'flukes' and 'chances' would have to be common, if not the norm ...

My jury is still out on that one ...

Originally Posted by citizenzen

2. Imagine (the unlikely scenario) that aliens landed on the Earth and completely overwhelmed us with their superior intellect, technology and spiritual development. If they believed in a God, would it be the same one you believe in? If they didn't have any notion of Jesus Christ, would they be saved?

Well, I think that presupposes a number of questions. Superior technology (space flight) does not presuppose superior intellect, so I would challenge the idea that a technologically advanced people will be any more intellectually and/or spiritually advanced than us. Does not the evidence we have to hand suggest otherwise?

So I would say this scenario is more unlikely than the scenario in which the first alien off the spaceship is wearing a crucifix ...

... then again, on that principle, I would suggest that aliens who do believe in God would hold to the idea of 'distinction' and 'union', and thus hold an idea of 'salvation' and 'loss'?

Originally Posted by citizenzen

In what ways do you ignore and dismiss empirical evidence in order that you not disturb or challenge the beliefs that you hold so dear? (Okay... I'll admit that I really don't expect anybody to have the "huevos" to answer that question honestly... but do try.)

I don't ignore nor dismiss any empirical evidence, as I work on the axiom that empirical evidence does not have any bearing on the questions I'm asking.

That you think it does means you're asking the wrong questions, or looking to find the answers to the right questions in the wrong place.

One simple 'fact' is that if man is to be truly 'free', then the last thing he wants is empirical evidence of the proof of God, because then only a fool would refuse to believe in the face of the evidence ...

And again, if you can provide me with the equation or whatever empirical data you have to determine precisely why person A will fall in love with person B, or why some fall in love instantaneously, and others over a period of time; how a person can love one child, then love two equally and yet no more nor no less than he or she loved just the one ... how to write poetry (not doggrel) or compose sublime musical scores ... questions like that should demonstrate that empiricism isn't the answer to everything.

If life were purely a matter of common sense, which is what empiricism is, then it would be awfully drab, don't you think?

Thomas

[wil]

I was searching for the statement by a Catholic Priest a number of years ago that said regarding life elsewhere and aliens possibly having inhabited earth...something to the effect of the possibility of the Garden of Eden being on another planet...

But alas could not find it, but did find this.
Belief in aliens not necessarily against the faith, Vatican official says

[17th Angel]

The truth is out there FTW.

I have seen some real intresting and some real crazy freaking people as of late with aliens and so on... Not sure why... But there seems to be... A rapid growth at the moment with UFO's and Aliens and what not.... Strange... Anyway there is some I can listen to and consider most likley dismiss but can conisder specially more than god theories lol.

But then you got some people who claim there are like 11 speice of alien and they are all here already and this one guy claims he shot and killed 3 "greys" from an underground alien base.... Some part of it I think it is us stroking our ego... IF there was such advanced beings... We'd be like ants to them.... How many of you go around attempting to make contact and alliances with the ants? Or do you just..... Walk over them and not even consider them?

Anyone ever see the TV series "V" ? They are currently doing a remake of it

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

The truth is out there FTW.

I have seen some real intresting and some real crazy freaking people as of late with aliens and so on... Not sure why... But there seems to be... A rapid growth at the moment with UFO's and Aliens and what not.... Strange... Anyway there is some I can listen to and consider most likley dismiss but can conisder specially more than god theories lol.

But then you got some people who claim there are like 11 speice of alien and they are all here already and this one guy claims he shot and killed 3 "greys" from an underground alien base.... Some part of it I think it is us stroking our ego... IF there was such advanced beings... We'd be like ants to them.... How many of you go around attempting to make contact and alliances with the ants? Or do you just..... Walk over them and not even consider them?

Anyone ever see the TV series "V" ? They are currently doing a remake of it

I wondered where you had got to! See any interesting star systems on your travels?

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

I wondered where you had got to! See any interesting star systems on your travels?

Hola ;D

Well I been doing all sorts of late, Got married two weeks back

Seen any interesting star systems?! Oh hell yah! (could of been under influences however.... PARANORMAL influences..... ¬.¬) I am a star system traveller

Dropped all the god debating and talking and what not, as there really (in my opinion) is no point in speaking on a serious level, of things such as god. I feel like I am in freaking primary school and participating in "big" debates about Santa and if he is real.... Of course he isn't you silly goose. So that is why I am kinda not around anymore. But, thought I'd pop in and look see what was happening.. I found nothing of much surprise lol.

Found this thread kinda interesting as I just started watching the new version of the TV series 'V' And the Catholic priests on there having their issues with visitors from another universe.

OH people lol... Check this out. LOL.

[Dream]

Son, you went and got married. So how big was the cake?

[wil]

Congrats Alex!!

[Avi]

Is your partner a poster in this forum ??

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by Avi

Is your partner a poster in this forum ??

Mee!!!

Ah just joshing you. Nah, no one from the forums lol.


Thanks Wil. As I said in my speech. "I won't do that again."

Dream: Yeah cake was big! It was three in one.... My Step sister made it and came all the way from Germany! I didn't even eat a slice! :O I heard it was good though!

Sooo.... How about them aliens?

[17th Angel]

Food for thought.

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