God came as Shankara to uplift the atheists who did not care for God

[dattaswami1]

God came as Shankara to uplift the atheists who did not care for God


God came as Shankara to uplift the atheists who did not care for God. If you do not care for the Prime Minister, the Prime Minister need not pay even one-millionth attention for you in view of his far superior status. In such case, God need not pay even a trace of attention towards the careless atheists. But God being the creator of all the souls, the parental attitude of God towards all the souls brings him down as human incarnation caring for the atheists. The attention of God to reform the atheists is the only remaining aim in throwing the atheists into the hell permanently (permanently means for a long time).

The hell is the operation theatre in which the long surgery is performed and thus the constant effort of God to uplift every soul is to be always identified. If the final message of Shankara is Advaita only, the closest students like Padmapada, Totaka, etc should have digested Advaita and should have behaved as friends with Shankara because they should have realized the oneness with Shankara. But we find that they were always falling on the feet of Shankara, who was their contemporary human incarnation, with full surrender praising Him “Karuna Varunalaya Palayamam…” If Advaita were to be true, each one of them was Shankara (Brahman) Himself and the above prayer would be self-praise. The present advaitin must have digested Advaita better than those close disciples of Shankara and therefore, is not even recognizing his contemporary human incarnation!

[Vajradhara]

Namaste dattaswami,

thank you for the post.

Originally Posted by dattaswami1

The attention of God to reform the atheists is the only remaining aim in throwing the atheists into the hell permanently (permanently means for a long time).

goodness... now you are threating us with hell.

seems you've learned something from the Christian missonaries

sorry, mate, but threats of hellfire and damnation are tales which i care little for. i've got my own religions hells and stuff to watch out for and they are far, far worse than anything you've got to offer.

you should become Buddhist!

The present advaitin must have digested Advaita better than those close disciples of Shankara and therefore, is not even recognizing his contemporary human incarnation!

what does your religion refer to hubris as?

metta,

~v

[Q2008]

Originally Posted by dattaswami1

<b><font color="#993366">If you do not care for the Prime Minister, the Prime Minister need not pay even one-millionth attention for you in view of his far superior status.

A Prime Minister, in the general sense, is a public servant, not a Monarch unto whom great respect is owed. A PM is really only superior to anyone in the sense that their general relevance is to a greater audience than that of the average Joe.

[saddha]

Originally Posted by dattaswami1

God came as Shankara to uplift the atheists who did not care for God


God came as Shankara to uplift the atheists who did not care for God. If you do not care for the Prime Minister, the Prime Minister need not pay even one-millionth attention for you in view of his far superior status. In such case, God need not pay even a trace of attention towards the careless atheists. But God being the creator of all the souls, the parental attitude of God towards all the souls brings him down as human incarnation caring for the atheists. The attention of God to reform the atheists is the only remaining aim in throwing the atheists into the hell permanently (permanently means for a long time).

The hell is the operation theatre in which the long surgery is performed and thus the constant effort of God to uplift every soul is to be always identified. If the final message of Shankara is Advaita only, the closest students like Padmapada, Totaka, etc should have digested Advaita and should have behaved as friends with Shankara because they should have realized the oneness with Shankara. But we find that they were always falling on the feet of Shankara, who was their contemporary human incarnation, with full surrender praising Him “Karuna Varunalaya Palayamam…” If Advaita were to be true, each one of them was Shankara (Brahman) Himself and the above prayer would be self-praise. The present advaitin must have digested Advaita better than those close disciples of Shankara and therefore, is not even recognizing his contemporary human incarnation!

I frankly don't know how Buddhism became associated with atheism -- I think it's due to the Hindu priests, Buddha is called Bhagavan, i.e. GOD, in all sutras.

In that sense, I would say Sankaracharya, was ignorant and led hindus away from God.

[Tao_Equus]

I do not know how god came to be associated with atheists, you cannot associate that which does not exist with that which does. As an atheist I challenge this conceptual nonsense known as god to refute me each and every day, perhaps it is a coward? or maybe just terribly shy?

[c0de]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

I do not know how god came to be associated with atheists

Consider the word "atheist"... The whole identity of atheists
is built around the rejection of God. So basically it is built upon
(i.e. dependent) on God's identity... Consider the following verse
in light of this new understanding (and your own existence Tao).

The seven heavens declare His glory and the earth (too), and those who are in them; and there is not a single thing but glorifies Him with His praise, but you do not understand their glorification...

As an atheist I challenge this conceptual nonsense known as god to refute me each and every day, perhaps it is a coward? or maybe just terribly shy?

That very same verse ends in these words:

...surely He is Forbearing, Forgiving.

Chapter 17: Verse 44

[saddha]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

I do not know how god came to be associated with atheists, you cannot associate that which does not exist with that which does. As an atheist I challenge this conceptual nonsense known as god to refute me each and every day, perhaps it is a coward? or maybe just terribly shy?

your post would have been profound had you said, "as an athiest I challenge this concept known as god to refute me each and every day"

But if you call this concept non-sense right from the outset, that means you are prejudiced and your mind is already settled in this view.

Similar to a person who believes in God without ever having challenged the idea.

[c0de]

Originally Posted by saddha

Similar to a person who believes in God without ever having challenged the idea.

Ive challenged a lot of things in my life, but never the existence of God.
Does that mean Im prejudiced ????? ur damn rite it does !!
I remember when the thought even started to occur to me,
the thought which closely followed was:

"seriously? where the hell else could all
of this come from, snap out of it you idiot (slap!)"

Bias, believe it or not... is VERY under-rated. Prejudice
exists in each and everyone of us. Anyone who thinks they
are unbiased, is either nuts, or just unaware of what
the word bias/prejudice actually means. As for the idea that
man can arrive at the objective truth through the power of
sheer reason/logic... well, instead of trying to convince him
myself, I would just refer him to Kant and his critique of
pure reason.

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by saddha

your post would have been profound had you said, "as an athiest I challenge this concept known as god to refute me each and every day"

But if you call this concept non-sense right from the outset, that means you are prejudiced and your mind is already settled in this view.

Similar to a person who believes in God without ever having challenged the idea.

Then your standard of what constitutes the profound is much lower than mine. Either way my statement was mere flippancy. Which to my mind is perhaps even more than the concept deserves given its track record.

[c0de]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

Then your standard of what constitutes the profound is much lower than mine. Either way my statement was mere flippancy. Which to my mind is perhaps even more than the concept deserves given its track record.

err... dude, you do realize that this is an > interfaith forum < rite?
I think britney spears deserves nothing more then "flippant" statements
given her track record either, and that is why you dont see me joining
a Britney Spears forum....... (see how that works??? )

Also btw, the fact that most of your posts here end up dealing
with God one way or another, I doubt that you are somehow
over Him, as you are now suggesting....

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by c0de

err... dude, you do realize that this is an > interfaith forum < rite?
I think britney spears deserves nothing more then "flippant" statements
given her track record either, and that is why you dont see me joining
a Britney Spears forum....... (see how that works??? )

Also btw, the fact that most of your posts here end up dealing
with God one way or another, I doubt that you are somehow
over Him, as you are now suggesting....

No I am not over the concept. I have to live with it and its consequences regardless of my own feelings about it and thus I have every right to comment on it as I see fit. If you do not like that you are free to ignore me.

Note; I know you only post your highlights in Islamic green to try and irritate me. Therefore I shall hitherto refer to it by a much more fitting name. Loony Bin green.

[c0de]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

Note; I know you only post your highlights in Islamic green to try and irritate me.

LOL

Did you notice I use the same colors when
addressing others? Of course they have some abstract
meaning behind them, but just the thought that I picked
these colors especially for you.... now that is just precious.

No I am not over the concept.

Clearly... I only brought it up cuz you said
that the whole "concept" was beneath even
your flippant statements... and yet, you find
yourself on an inter-faith forum....

If you do not like that you are free to ignore me.

And be like everyone else??? No way!

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by c0de

And be like everyone else??? No way!

I must admit you are not the typical muslim we see here, you seem to enjoy freedom. Perhaps there is hope for you yet

[c0de]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

I must admit you are not the typical muslim we see here, you seem to enjoy freedom.

Yea well, I don't believe in free will ...
but I'll take that as a compliment anyway....
(its the thought that counts )

btw, don't know what your definition of
of the typical Muslim is... seeing as if most
Muslims I know seem to love "freedom"...
wonder if it is more comical then my definition
of the typical atheist.

[Vajradhara]

Namaste Saddha,

thank you for the post.

Originally Posted by saddha

I frankly don't know how Buddhism became associated with atheism -- I think it's due to the Hindu priests, Buddha is called Bhagavan, i.e. GOD, in all sutras.

by and large it is due to the western idea that there is only one deity and it is the creator deity. as the Buddha Shakyamuni rejected the idea of a creator deity his teachings are described as atheistic. even a cursory reading of the Suttas would reveal that the Buddhas teaching *do* contain teachings regarding deities so, in that sense, Buddhism is not atheistic.

as the Chinese expression goes, the eye of the work is that Buddha Shakyamuni explained that deities, irrespective of their abilities, are not worthy of veneration for they cannot mitigate the vipaka of ones karma and reliance upon them to do so constitutes unskillful action.

the term "bhagavan" is very contextually dependent as it, like most Sanskrit terms, has a variety of meaning which is only clearly discerned when we know the nature of the discussion.

in the Buddhist context, the term "bhagavan" is used to indicate the Tathagata and is typically understood as "The substantives of the word bhagavat (bhagavat-śabda-vācyāni) are unlimited (aśes.atah.) knowledge (jñāna), energies (śakti), strength (bala), opulence (aiśvarya), heroism (vīrya), splendor (tejas), without (vinā) objectionable (heyair) qualities (guṇādibhiḥ)."

metta,

~v