God, space and time - Page 2

tectrikz · 10-16-2005, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Plaidback

According to Genesis, heavens and earth were created before light. Darkness
exist regardless of presence of light. Light is nothing but special effect, needed for creation of another special effect - Life.
All special effects have expiration date, darkness does not.
Metaphoricaly, Light, which is God, that are Truth and True Love, does not require Sun or lightbulb to create that brightest light, in our thoughts, when we close our eyes, and feel It .
When thinking of darkness, we shouldn't forget that God is everything, darkness
included.

If God is everything, am I God? I don't believe that I am God but if he is everything then he is me. The way I see it God is an observer who watches over everything but he/she is not everything.

Plaidback · 10-16-2005, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by tectrikz

If God is everything, am I God? I don't believe that I am God but if he is everything then he is me. The way I see it God is an observer who watches over everything but he/she is not everything.

Of course you're God silly ! as part of everything, and God is everything.
In order to feel that, you need to understand, dimension in wich all the
" lucky ones ", that were given Holy spirit ,( by blood, just like Jesus did )
will be like One with " Him " , when every alive person realize that Time has stopped. ( which is vision that I have, about "end of the world", 1000 years that will actualy be just one day, according to all Prophecies )
Imagine, Spiritualy, All like One, but ther is still "flesh Issues", you still have desires, based on true love, nothing else, because you don't have anything else.
Because, Time does not exist. For Human emotions to exist, we need Time, if
we do not have Time ( when Eternal ), we can't have emotions, because
emotions need time to develop. True love is Infinite Energy,created when your flesh connected with truth, which produces your Spirit, that in Eternity
have Infinite Improbability Drive, placed in "Heart of Gold", which is your
brain.
God can not be Observer, He don't have Time to Observe.
He is so " Everything ", that He is One of Us, right now, just like you are.
Remember, Son of Man that is God @ the same "time", will live on Earth with
His People. One Species existing forever as One body, One blood.
That is why Jesus have transformerd Law into Love.
Your Life is that "only one God", you're supposed to Love, and that way you will Love that, my "only one God" , that is my Life.
Simple lesson "from God" about respect.

Ciel · 10-16-2005, 11:28 AM

Albert Einstein, once defined space as love.

Is it our mind or our mindlessness expanding, when considering the magnitude of space?

And the sense of wonder allowed to enter.

Hazratio · 10-16-2005, 05:04 PM

It might be worth your time to study the first few sections of Kant's Critique of Pure Reason. One of those sections is The Transcendental Aesthetic in which he argues that space and time are forms of sensible intuition. He concludes that we cannot know things in themselves (which leaves room for God/Freedom/immoratality/etc in a transcendent or noumenal realm). Instead, as rational creatures, we represent that which IS as a world of things on the horizon of space and time, according to the categories of the understanding. The latter are a priori concepts that give things an intelligible form for us on the horizon of space and time (space = the form of outer sense & time = the form of inner sense). As such, we do not and, indeed, cannot know things as they truely are, but only as they appear (including ourselves).

With regard to the way in which we appear to ourselves, as I was reading myself to sleep last night with A.C. Ewing's commentary on Kant, I read the following striking passage which addresses at least part of your question:

[Kant says] that what I observe of myself in introspection is only appearance. This according to him gives it sufficient reality for all practical purposes, but it remains a fact for him that if I could perceive my states as they really are I should not perceive them as in time at all or as being subject to change. As Kant points out in a letter to Herz in 1772 this does not mean that we can be said to be really always in the same state, for that would itself imply that our state really was in time. We must not attribute change to our real self, but neither must we attribtue to it unchanging duration. All we can say is that it has some unknown mode of being which cannot be equated with either [change or unchanging duration] and [which] does not involve time (Ewing 60).

From this, among other sources (e.g. Spinoza and The Upanishads) I have come to conclude that eternity must not be understood as infinite duration in time nor must spatial relations be attributed to it. The spatio-temporal world that we experience is a re-presentation of that which IS eternally. And I have modified my understanding of Christian theology and my interpretation of the bible accordingly.
If you are interested in exploring this line of thought further, see the following articles:

Bringing Our World into Focus 13.06.2004
Taking our cue from Plato, let us think of the temporal world as a "moving image of eternity." If such is the case, then the course of our existence is-- as Plato elsewhere describes it --a relatively superficial reflection of a deeper reality that we may be more or less aware of and attuned to.

With Reference to the Good 12.08.2004
The admonition to Follow your Bliss is an affirmation of individual freedom under God. Or put another way, it is the affirmation of individual freedom with reference to the Good.

The Primary Ontological Distinction 14.11.2004
If we understand the primary ontological distinction that can be drawn between several very basic conceptual oppositions, we can begin to resolve a number of theological and philosophical conundrums.

All the best,

Hazratio (aka Wayne)

tectrikz · 10-17-2005, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Plaidback

Of course you're God silly ! as part of everything, and God is everything.
In order to feel that, you need to understand, dimension in wich all the
" lucky ones ", that were given Holy spirit ,( by blood, just like Jesus did )
will be like One with " Him " , when every alive person realize that Time has stopped. ( which is vision that I have, about "end of the world", 1000 years that will actualy be just one day, according to all Prophecies )
Imagine, Spiritualy, All like One, but ther is still "flesh Issues", you still have desires, based on true love, nothing else, because you don't have anything else.
Because, Time does not exist. For Human emotions to exist, we need Time, if
we do not have Time ( when Eternal ), we can't have emotions, because
emotions need time to develop. True love is Infinite Energy,created when your flesh connected with truth, which produces your Spirit, that in Eternity
have Infinite Improbability Drive, placed in "Heart of Gold", which is your
brain.
God can not be Observer, He don't have Time to Observe.
He is so " Everything ", that He is One of Us, right now, just like you are.
Remember, Son of Man that is God @ the same "time", will live on Earth with
His People. One Species existing forever as One body, One blood.
That is why Jesus have transformerd Law into Love.
Your Life is that "only one God", you're supposed to Love, and that way you will Love that, my "only one God" , that is my Life.
Simple lesson "from God" about respect.

If God is everything then God would control the forth dimension (time) and therefore would have all the time in the world to observe. Can't really argue with the love stuff, and don’t really want too. We will see when I die just how just God is, if he is the Christian God I’m screwed sense I don't believe in Jesus. I hope I’m not wrong (crosses fingers).