Gods? Who created those? - Page 2

InLove · 06-26-2005, 01:16 PM

Hi, and Peace--

Thanks for the references, path_of_one. I was encouraged to find that one of them is already on my "to read" list. Thanks to Earl for the link, as well--haven't finished reading there, but it is my intent to do so.

Hmmm....maybe a thread on panentheism might work on the Comparative Studies board. I dunno--could kick up some dust there, too, but it might be worth a try just to perhaps attract a more diverse conversation (as well as to keep the moderators on their toes

). Guess it could always be moved back to Alternative. I suppose it could prove to be a very sensitive topic. But then, often that is what makes a good study.

By the way, thanks, path, for publicly redeeming me from "political incorrectness"! I feel better now

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InPeace,
InLove

InLove · 06-26-2005, 01:59 PM

Hi--me again--

Just an afterthought (too late to edit). That thread might work in "Belief and Spirituality" as well.

InPeace,
InLove

Adeptus Obeah · 06-26-2005, 02:43 PM

I think that you will find that man created gods, mainly in his own image most are anthropomorphic and a wise man once said that if you asked a donkey what god looked like he would reply "why like a donkey of course". So i'm afraid that we created them..

InLove · 06-26-2005, 02:55 PM

Hi, and Peace to All Here--

Welcome to CR, Adeptus Obeah

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I don't have much time to post "in depth" right now, but I believe, after much consideration, that while we may all have different ideas of the Creator's name and characteristics, that He (gender-specific pronoun not necessary) created us--not the other way around. This is my personal belief, and I doubt I will find anything to the contrary in my own heart and Spirit.

LOL--good quote about the donkey, and worth some thought, but I still am not sure that this is what the donkey would say

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Gotta go for now--

InPeace,
InLove

queenofsheba · 08-26-2005, 11:54 AM

There are some interesting myths about the origin of the universe. Greek myths say that there was Chaos. The Chaos split into three parts: heaven, world and underworld. Heaven fell in love with the world and started raining on it, to make it fertile. Out of the union of heaven and earth came the gods.

killmyprince · 09-07-2005, 11:09 AM

That, is where a leap of faith really comes in. You can't believe in god or gods without first having faith that they do exist without actual, concrete proof, or a reason why they do exist. They simply are there, and you just have to trust it if you're religious or reject it if you're not. Most people do attribute multiple gods to the idea of some kind fo birth from a larger, more ubiquious, but more apathetic god/being/entity. But where THAT god comes from is largely up in the air.

In the Life of Pi, the author write that atheism is just as well a faith as well, because even that demands that the atheist takes a leap of faith into assuming that there is no god, even though there is some evidence that one might exist.

_Z_ · 09-08-2005, 10:09 PM

The gods primarily bring themselves into being, or can be brought into being by us or other primordal gods. When I was a young sorcerer I used to conjure up Egyptian [amongst others] gods and spirits, they came out of the primordial ocean [the void] and appeared as they did to the ancients. I don’t know if they find peace in being unmanifest, but I do know that one can make anything appear from that place just by thinking of it! E.g. if one thinks of heaven then it appears before you [the entrance] equally so with hell, but if you believe in other things then that is what you will see!

The mind is the most powerful thing in eternity. get the picture!

Z

Chela · 09-09-2005, 03:20 AM

We must make a distinction between the Elohim and the Aelohim.

El is the basic name for God in Hebrew.

Elohim, however, when translated litterally is not God, but Gods, or even better stated, Gods and Goddesses.

Aelohim is the negation of the Elohim. The Aelohim is the Absoulte, which is related with the unmanifested prakriti, the womb substance upon which all of the manifestation is created.

The Aelohim is unmanifested, Absolute, Non-Being; it is the Eternal Common Cosmic Father. From that, the Gods emerge...

The Aelohim is to the Elohim what God is to man, or man to an animal.

Christianity transformed the Gods into Angels and Saints, and refers to the Aelohim as "Our Father, who art in Heaven..."

Buddhism states that even the Gods are trapped in the Wheel of Samsara.. which is true because they still exist (they strive to dissolve into the Absoulte Nothingness)!

Realize that by unmanifest I am not talking referring to physical manifestation, because matter is just energy.. the mind, the spirit, thought and action (karma) are all forms of manifestation. The one who is Not can, however, Become as it pleases!

_Z_ · 09-09-2005, 08:18 PM

Very interesting chela, I’ll have to study more kabbala stuff. The thing is that the place beyond infinity is accessible by all with a mind capable of experiencing ‘IT’, from there any thing can arise & one may journey to anywhere within the minds eye, in that way it is like an infinite door. I suppose that is the difference between Druidry and kabbala – I am not sure.

interesting stuff.

Z