God's works, scripture based or not. - Page 4

LeoSalinas22 · 04-05-2007, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by pattimax

Legalism is when you refuse to acknowledge how much God loves you and/or you fear offending him because you broke some man made rule. What truly offends God is fear. It is also not a good idea to get out of his perfect will.

i am sorry if i let you down, patti.

Faithfulservant · 04-05-2007, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by LeoSalinas22

i am sorry if i let you down, patti.

Wow that quote was the result of legalism wrapped in a nutshell.....

LeoSalinas22 · 04-05-2007, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Wow that quote was the result of legalism wrapped in a nutshell.....

i am sorry, i have no idea what you meant.

wil · 04-05-2007, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LeoSalinas22

i take it you don't believe we are in the latter days, wil? explain why please. thanks.

The main reason I don't believe 'the end is near' I suppose is because everyone since Biblical times has thought that. Every generation has found their prophecy to indicate the time is now.

I don't see where it matters whether it will be the next minute or the next millenia. It seems like your mother saying you'd better wear clean underwear in case you get in an auto accident. Isn't it easier just to always wear clean underwear??

Do I need to worry that I do right, right now because I am concerned about Jesus walking around the corner and catching me doing the wrong thing...uh no...I think we should be doing the right thing all the time...period. Did I always think that way...uh no...did I need some threat of fire and brimstone to change me??...uh no.

LeoSalinas22 · 04-05-2007, 06:35 PM

look, wil, i completely understand what you mean by having clean underwear or doing the right thing, man. believe me, i do! but doing the right thing as opposed as looking for Him are two completely different things. it just seems like you yourself are tired of waiting for Him and it doesn't matter as long as, " i am doing the right thing AAAALLL the time." please read the scripture and tell me what you think.
Matthew 24 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
also, if you read matthew 25 the parable of the ten virgins, it will give you insight on what it is like to be waiting for Him. to me, and i don't know about you, it is like i am waiting for my wife and children whom i hadn't seen in a long time. do you remember when you were a child and your mom or dad left and you were waiting for them by the window to get home?i guess it is something like that. hope you understand. hope to hear from you soon.

wil · 04-05-2007, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by LeoSalinas22

it just seems like you yourself are tired of waiting for Him

I'm not tired of waiting...I'm not waiting. I am not dictating that this should occur in my lifetime...just as the last hundred generations couldn't dicatate when, where and how, despite their predictions.

What I am doing is living today as if it could be the day, every day, what happens tomorrow I'll find out tomorrow. People who study and get paid to forcast the weather can't do it. We know what seven days of G-d's time is, and the next phase will also be in G-d's time...

LeoSalinas22 · 04-05-2007, 08:00 PM

you're right, man, in thinking the way you think.
Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
vaya con Dios, hermano.

Faithfulservant · 04-05-2007, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by LeoSalinas22

i am sorry, i have no idea what you meant.

Legalism is all about laws and the bi-products of living by laws. You had a law for yourself that you somehow had let down patti.. and you felt remorse over the fact that you couldnt keep that law... that is legalism..

Christ frees us from that. We are under the law of love the Lord thy God and love thy neighbor... we are not under a law of whether we should or should not celebrate easter because it may or may not have been corrupted by paganism. Its a law that weighs you down and takes away from the awesome grace thats in the Lord Jesus Christ. It takes Jesus off the throne and puts someone or something else (law) on it. Because Jesus told you what the law was....

Please read the book of Romans. Find a good commentary on it and study it. I think that the Spirit will lead you to a wonderful understanding of Grace and Mercy that is in our Lord.

Prober · 04-05-2007, 08:21 PM

I believe the "end is near", possibly in my lifetime. I think the signs all point in that direction.

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Originally Posted by wil

I don't see where it matters whether it will be the next minute or the next millenia. It seems like your mother saying you'd better wear clean underwear in case you get in an auto accident. Isn't it easier just to always wear clean underwear??

I used to wait for Christ's return because I wanted to go to Heaven. I've learned a lot lately about making the here and now heaven (ie "the kingdom of Heaven is within you") and I'd agree about being ready all the time.

I still want to go to Heaven - it's just that I'm content, in the mean time, to make this world Heaven.

I want live each day so that any day I could hear (like the thief on the cross) "I say unto you today - you will be with me in paradise".

Who wouldn't?

Quahom1 · 04-05-2007, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Prober

I believe the "end is near", possibly in my lifetime. I think the signs all point in that direction.

I used to wait for Christ's return because I wanted to go to Heaven. I've learned a lot lately about making the here and now heaven (ie "the kingdom of Heaven is within you") and I'd agree about being ready all the time.

I still want to go to Heaven - it's just that I'm content, in the mean time, to make this world Heaven.

I want live each day so that any day I could hear (like the thief on the cross) "I say unto you today - you will be with me in paradise".

Who wouldn't?

Let me tell you something about Jesus Christ. You could be a fence man on a post somewhere in Texas, repairing the wires, and your time comes to go home. To the man/gal that is doing the repair job, do they care whether heaven is within? They just want to go with Christ, and so they do.

God (according to the Bible), said so. So if we are disputing God (again), we are disputing His "word" (bible).

For Christians, that is a blatant "attack" on their whole precipise pertaining to the concept of GOD.

To Non Christians...it is a sick joke. However, this is a Christian forum, so respect is due...

v/r

Joshua

(nothing against you prob)

wil · 04-05-2007, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Let me tell you something about Jesus Christ. You could be a fence man on a post somewhere in Texas, repairing the wires, and your time comes to go home. To the man/gal that is doing the repair job, do they care whether heaven is within? They just want to go with Christ, and so they do.

God (according to the Bible), said so. So if we are disputing God (again), we are disputing His "word" (bible).

For Christians, that is a blatant "attack" on their whole precipise pertaining to the concept of GOD.

To Non Christians...it is a sick joke. However, this is a Christian forum, so respect is due...

v/r

Joshua

(nothing against you prob)

totally confused as to what exactly precipitated this...I'm completely unclear. I'm missing the attack, the joke, the lack of respect?? And speaking of respect...don't see how it can ever start with "Let me tell you something....

Faithfulservant · 04-05-2007, 08:56 PM

Sorry Im confused also.. Probers post sums up pretty much how I feel about the Lords return and living in the kingdom of heaven in the now. Maybe Q misread it?

LeoSalinas22 · 04-05-2007, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Legalism is all about laws and the bi-products of living by laws. You had a law for yourself that you somehow had let down patti.. and you felt remorse over the fact that you couldnt keep that law... that is legalism..

Christ frees us from that. We are under the law of love the Lord thy God and love thy neighbor... we are not under a law of whether we should or should not celebrate easter because it may or may not have been corrupted by paganism. Its a law that weighs you down and takes away from the awesome grace thats in the Lord Jesus Christ. It takes Jesus off the throne and puts someone or something else (law) on it. Because Jesus told you what the law was....

Please read the book of Romans. Find a good commentary on it and study it. I think that the Spirit will lead you to a wonderful understanding of Grace and Mercy that is in our Lord.

let me ask you a question. are you happy in this world? because i am not. this world sucks. everything in it is a nightmare. it is total chaos and disorder. in other words, i am not happy here at all. i understand that Christ came to lift the burden and believe me when i say that i know the veil has been lifted and i can see everything through His eyes. what i see is total sin. i see myself and my "self", this flesh, is disgusting. i am ever grateful that my Father has given me the priveledge, even though i don't deserve it, to see thru His eyes and see everything for what it is. that is revelation! now, to further explain why i feel the way i do, this scripture explains it:

Luke 7 And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath washed my feet with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head. Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet. My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment.Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.
i am that woman. i understand how she feels. she is tired of this world like i am. all i ask from Christ is that when His Kingdom sets in, and it will be soon, is that He is gracious enough to remember the dogs that eat off the Master's table. great, now i got a ball in my throat. so i don't know about any legalism that is mentioned in the Bible, but i do know this, from dust we came and to dust we will return. amen and amen.

LeoSalinas22 · 04-05-2007, 11:02 PM

double post

Quahom1 · 04-06-2007, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Sorry Im confused also.. Probers post sums up pretty much how I feel about the Lords return and living in the kingdom of heaven in the now. Maybe Q misread it?

I opine that time is what is alotted us, not to be wasted wishing for a quick end. God has plans for us, and expects us to act on those plans, and not worry about tomorrow. I think life is fantastic, regardless of our particular position at a specific moment...the alternative is what sucks.

Think of your life if you will, as a "talent" given you by the master...what do you plan to do with that talent?

Like my wife's ferrets, and the lowly bird of the sky. They know not self pity, nor the impending end. They ask for nothing from anyone, but give all they have to that wich gave them their life and purpose. And they go to their grave never feeling sorry or remorseful for themselves.

I'm not berating any of you. I'm simply expressing my opinion of life and what it means to me. Yes, I want to see God face to face, but I am in no hurry, because I have a job here that He expects me to do to the best of my ability, first. And He expects me to be "pleased" with what He has given me, right now, and here.

I love life, mine, yours, everyones.

The way I see it, humanity "may" be wicked to the core, but life is not. It 'tis, the most precious commodity we posess...not to be discarded or dis-regarded. (gets off the soap box)

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