Goodnews

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by Silas

So, what good has the JWs done for God since they were invented? And, what does history record of you?

Can that same question not be asked to you Silas? Oh no... Sorry hah hah, I forgot you're right.... right? Sorry to interupt keep knocking down this christian and judging him... good job.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Silas

So, what good has the JWs done for God since they were invented? And, what does history record of you?

doing the will of God , that is the aim of Jehovahs people . its a case of ......... what does God require of us ? not doing it our own way. but doing this makes us out of line with the world and its views . but what we do does not look good in the eyes of those in opposition to Gods ways. where we are now is at a time when Jesus wants the goodnews about the established heavenly kingdom made known Daniel 2;44......... and Jehovahs people are doing just that . but only honest hearted people respond to the witness given.
matthew 24;14 matthew 28;19-20
And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come. matthew 24;14

(Mark 13:10) Also, in all the nations the good news has to be preached first.
Revelation 14:6) And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people,
This world will not succeed in working out solutions to its problems. It will not keep on sustaining itself indefinitely. Why can we be so sure? Because the inspired Word of God says so: "The world is passing away and so is its desire, but he that does the will of God remains forever."—1 John 2:17.

[juantoo3]

Silas,

Once again I am here as a moderator.

I have been watching your posts develop, this is not an isolated incidence. I am greatly discouraged that you keep hammering at others, bordering on personal attack. Were this not a person like mee who is pretty good natured about such things, I would expect to have quite a few complaints about your style. In this thread alone, I see Angel trying to get you to see where you are wrong in your presentation. Yet, you ignore and refuse to see. Bad move on your part.

If someone else came in here and started in on you, oh, for the sake of example, let's say an atheist, I think you would take great exception and start to cry foul when that imaginary person starts telling you how messed up you are to follow your messed up imaginary beliefs...

G-d gave us all free will, to choose whether to come to Him or not...what's more, He placed all of us where He intended for us to be. You seek Him in your way, and that's good. Mee, and others, seek G-d in the way they best understand, and that too is good. It is this last part you are having issues with...your way is right for you, it is not necessarily right for others. Get over it.

As a moderator, I am telling you to knock it off, the personal attacks are not welcome. Discussion in a friendly, respectful manner is always welcome. But if you cannot disagree in a polite and respectful manner without proselytizing and judgementally condemning, then I suggest this is not the place for you. I have let this go too long, Brian and the other moderators will be made aware. My advice is to cool it if you wish to continue participating here.

Your views and opinions are valued here, but those views and opinions are not exclusive. It would do you well to review the Code of Conduct: http://www.comparative-religion.com/...of-conduct.php

I also recommend these two threads, the OP's were written in direct response to people just like you…

http://www.comparative-religion.com/...eces-5894.html

http://www.comparative-religion.com/...r-of-2576.html

[Silas]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Can that same question not be asked to you Silas? Oh no... Sorry hah hah, I forgot you're right.... right? Sorry to interupt keep knocking down this christian and judging him... good job.

Way to go, with the sarcasm! People must really love you!

[Silas]

Originally Posted by mee

doing the will of God , that is the aim of Jehovahs people . its a case of ......... what does God require of us ? not doing it our own way. but doing this makes us out of line with the world and its views . but what we do does not look good in the eyes of those in opposition to Gods ways. where we are now is at a time when Jesus wants the goodnews about the established heavenly kingdom made known Daniel 2;44......... and Jehovahs people are doing just that . but only honest hearted people respond to the witness given.matthew 24;14 matthew 28;19-20

What is the will of God? What have you guys done? What has history shown of your works?

[juantoo3]

Silas,

Originally Posted by Silas

What is the will of God? What have you guys done? What has history shown of your works?

What is the will of G-d? What have you guys done? What has history shown of your works? How many Crusades and Holy Wars have been fought by people like you? How many bombs have blown up innocent bystanders by people just like you? How many atrocities like the Holocaust have been committed by people acting the in the name of G-d, just like you???

Back off...second warning.

[Silas]

The Christians that killed people in God's name or in Jesus' name are about as Christian as the Muslims that fly planes into building. Jesus emphatically tells His followers not to fight but to remember that vengence is of the Lord. As a matter of fact, Christians are told to die rather than fight. So again, those who call themselves Christians and kill in Jesus' name, do it agianst His will and therefore show that they are not His people, but instead decievers. Now as for your question..."what has Christians done?" Wow, where do I start? How about hospitials, arts, charities of all sorts, the red cross, education, the legal system, freedom and opportunities of many, etc., etc. The most important thing that Christians have done, continue to do, and will do, is bring the good news of Jesus Christ to a lost and dying world. As the scripture says, "How Beautiful Are the Feet of Those Who Bring Good News" (Romans 10:15). Hope that helps!

So Mee, what has the JWs done for God? And, what is God's will according to JW theology?

[juantoo3]

Originally Posted by Silas

The Christians that killed people in God's name or in Jesus' name are about as Christian as the Muslims that fly planes into building. Jesus emphatically tells His followers not to fight but to remember that vengence is of the Lord. As a matter of fact, Christians are told to die rather than fight. So again, those who call themselves Christians and kill in Jesus' name, do it agianst His will and therefore show that they are not His people, but instead decievers. Now as for your question..."what has Christians done?" Wow, where do I start? How about hospitials, arts, charities of all sorts, the red cross, education, the legal system, freedom and opportunities of many, etc., etc. The most important thing that Christians have done, continue to do, and will do, is bring the good news of Jesus Christ to a lost and dying world. As the scripture says, "How Beautiful Are the Feet of Those Who Bring Good News" (Romans 10:15). Hope that helps!

So Mee, what has the JWs done for God? And, what is God's will according to JW theology?

What have the JW's done for G-d? The same thing you mention: "The most important thing that Christians have done, continue to do, and will do, is bring the good news of Jesus Christ to a lost and dying world."

Now, as for "hospitials, arts, charities of all sorts, the red cross, education, the legal system, freedom and opportunities of many", so have Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Pagans and even atheists. So, I guess that means G-d works through all kinds of different people, huh?

The Christians that killed people in God's name or in Jesus' name are about as Christian as the Muslims that fly planes into building.

I think they might disagree with you, and then you can excommunicate each other.

A violent rabid fundy is a violent rabid fundy is a violent rabid fundy...

Who put the "mental" in fundamental? Where did the "fun" part go?

[wil]

Originally Posted by Silas

The Christians that killed people in God's name or in Jesus' name are about as Christian as the Muslims that fly planes into building.

FYI, Muslims also seperate themselves from the fanatical types that fly planes into buildings or strap bombs to themselves. The Imams I've spoke to repeat often that these are not acts of a practicing Muslim.

[juantoo3]

The Christians that killed people in God's name or in Jesus' name are about as Christian as the Muslims that fly planes into building.

According to you it wouldn't matter if a Muslim flew an airplane into a building or not, they're doomed because they are born Muslim. So I'm thinking, hell, if I'm doomed because I was born to be doomed, that means a couple of things. One; G-d ain't perfect, because he made me to be destroyed, and I haven't done anything to deserve being destroyed at the time of my birth. And two; if I'm doomed anyway, why not take out a bunch of hypocrits with me when I go?

[mee]

Originally Posted by Silas

So Mee, what has the JWs done for God? And, what is God's will according to JW theology?

matthew 28;19-20 when people are taught by Jesus christ , they Go and make disciples of others , not by killing people or forceing them to believe , but they are taught to be peacable just like Jesus was . so what is the fruitage of Jehovahs witnesses, it is PEACE no matter where in the world , we do not learn to kill people , and we listen very carefully to what Jesus says, we do not allow the world and its way of doing things to influence us ,we are taught by Jehovah , because Jesus was taught by his father Jehovah, and Jehovah said to listen to Jesus . and you know what the world hates us for that. but we know that listening to Jesus is the way to go , as it leads to everlasting life John 17;3Gods will according to the bible is to Listen to Jesus , and we do just that.

[Silas]

Originally Posted by wil

FYI, Muslims also seperate themselves from the fanatical types that fly planes into buildings or strap bombs to themselves. The Imams I've spoke to repeat often that these are not acts of a practicing Muslim.

Thats great! But the facts still remain, their "holy text" says it is OK for them to kill for Allah. Jesus doesnt give Christians that right. The two religons are build of completely different precepts. Islam is built on the honor of Mohammad and therefore when someone shames him, Muslims get to fight for Him. Christanity is built upon the shame of Christ. Therefore, when people shame Him, its nothing new. We Christians just get to share in His sufferrings. Far be it from us to wear crowns of gold when our King wore a crown of thorwns. This world isnt our home - you dig?

[Silas]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

According to you it wouldn't matter if a Muslim flew an airplane into a building or not, they're doomed because they are born Muslim. So I'm thinking, hell, if I'm doomed because I was born to be doomed, that means a couple of things. One; G-d ain't perfect, because he made me to be destroyed, and I haven't done anything to deserve being destroyed at the time of my birth. And two; if I'm doomed anyway, why not take out a bunch of hypocrits with me when I go?

People are doomed for their sins. God delcares that no one is good and God saves anyone who humbles themselves and admits their need for a Savior. If you or anyone cries out for help and recieves Jesus as Savior by repentance and Faith, you will be saved from God's righteous wrath. Why havent you accepted the claims of Christ upon your own life?

[Silas]

Originally Posted by mee

matthew 28;19-20 when people are taught by Jesus christ , they Go and make disciples of others , not by killing people or forceing them to believe , but they are taught to be peacable just like Jesus was . so what is the fruitage of Jehovahs witnesses, it is PEACE no matter where in the world , we do not learn to kill people , and we listen very carefully to what Jesus says, we do not allow the world and its way of doing things to influence us ,we are taught by Jehovah , because Jesus was taught by his father Jehovah, and Jehovah said to listen to Jesus . and you know what the world hates us for that. but we know that listening to Jesus is the way to go , as it leads to everlasting life John 17;3Gods will according to the bible is to Listen to Jesus , and we do just that.

I just want to make sure I understand you. You're saying you go around the world and preach in peace? Many religions do that. Buddhist, for example, preach in peace. What is the difference between you guys and them? Also, what has history shown of you? What have you done to God's glory. Were were you during the history of the early chruch? Where were you in the 1st century when Christians were being killed for their faith? Where were you in the reformation? Where were you in early America or early England or during the revivals, including both "Great Awakinings?" What do you guys do besides hand out tracts and witness another gospel? Dont mean to sound mean bro, I just really want to understand why you'd believe in this crazy JW theology when its so far from biblical to just a child like understanding.

[juantoo3]

Originally Posted by Silas

Why havent you accepted the claims of Christ upon your own life?

I could ask the same of you. In fact, I will...Why havent you accepted the claims of Christ upon your own life?