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02-07-2006, 11:57 AM
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Greatest Religion in the world.
I've come to the conclusion that Christianity is the religion that can bring you closet to God and is therefore the greatest religion in the world. Something I've come to accept, one of them is, religion shouldn't be a philosophical system for which one can agree or disagree. I also figured out that Christianity is probably the most mystical religion on earth.
"Life is a bridge pass it but don't build on it". Jesus the founder of Christianity gave his life to bridge humans to God! So since the deed was paid, only something simple as acceptance and faith in Jesus would take you closer to God. You should not rely on your intellect when considering Christianity, you should rely on your heart.
Read the bible, consider the passive words of Christ and let them pass through your heart.
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02-07-2006, 04:49 PM
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I've come to the conclusion that Christianity is the religion that can bring you closet to God and is therefore the greatest religion in the world. Something I've come to accept, one of them is, religion shouldn't be a philosophical system for which one can agree or disagree. I also figured out that Christianity is probably the most mystical religion on earth.
"Life is a bridge pass it but don't build on it". Jesus the founder of Christianity gave his life to bridge humans to God! So since the deed was paid, only something simple as acceptance and faith in Jesus would take you closer to God. You should not rely on your intellect when considering Christianity, you should rely on your heart.
Read the bible, consider the passive words of Christ and let them pass through your heart.
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I opine that Christianity is not a religion at all. It is a way of life. The religious part would be the way one expresses their faith. Some would call that denominations. Consider a room full of Christians. All of one faith, and all agree they are.
Now ask them to express their faith...and this is where the trouble can start.
One believes works are important, another believes the trinity is a flawed concept, another believes the Holy Spirit must manifest itself physically through us. Two argue how the sign of the cross should be made, two more argue whether there ever was a cross to begin with...
What happens here is the faith is lost in the religion. The truth is buried under onion layers of hyperbole, tradition, and personal opinion. The faith may bring us closer to God, but the religious differences can pull us so far away from God that we forget Him.
Jesus didn't "found" Christianity.  He was a Jew. He simply stated He was the way. His followers founded the religious variants.
If you look at the four Gospels, you'll notice that they do not target the "heart" of man (for the ways of the heart are deceptive and treacherous). They target the mindset of various groups of men. They appeal to the intellect, and later, soften the "heart".
Even Jesus never first went after the heart of men. He quietly amazed them first. He made them think of possibilities. Then once He had their attention, He challenged and piqued their intellect. All the while their own hearts opened and softened. Then He left it up to them to decide to follow or not.
Finally, Jesus was anything but passive. Had that been so, He would have stayed in one spot and let others come to Him. No, He went everywhere, talked with eveyone. Recruited followers, who in turn went out and recruited others, to this day.
On Christmas Eve 1914, in the trenches of Europe, one Christian soldier did something unheard of in war. He threw something at the enemy, and they hit the dirt expecting an explosion and carnage. Nothing happened. So the "enemy" looked around to find the dud bomb. It was a Turkey. Ready to cook and eat. Another Christian soldier from the enemy's side threw something back, with similar results as the first time. Only when they looked around, they saw a bottle of wine.
For a day, World War I stopped, because of the aggresive actions of two Christian soldiers from opposite sides of the battle field. The power of two Christians united in a single cause is the same as the power of 10,000 men. It must be so, for not a shot rang out that day. In fact the two sides played soccer together in no man's land, shared chocolate, cigarettes and food.
Christmas Day ended, the 26th of December dawned, and the two forces went about annhilating eachother. But for a day there was peace and good will between enemies, because of the aggresiveness of two Christians. One took a chance, and the other took an oppertunity.
There is no greatest religion in the world. Only Faith, hope and Love.
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02-07-2006, 05:43 PM
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Incredible post Q!
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02-07-2006, 06:34 PM
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I agree; great post Q. You're hot today!
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02-07-2006, 07:44 PM
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As usual, Postmaster provides fuel for thought...thanks Postmaster.
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02-08-2006, 09:22 AM
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I opine that Christianity is not a religion at all. It is a way of life. The religious part would be the way one expresses their faith. Some would call that denominations. Consider a room full of Christians. All of one faith, and all agree they are.
Now ask them to express their faith...and this is where the trouble can start.
One believes works are important, another believes the trinity is a flawed concept, another believes the Holy Spirit must manifest itself physically through us. Two argue how the sign of the cross should be made, two more argue whether there ever was a cross to begin with...
What happens here is the faith is lost in the religion. The truth is buried under onion layers of hyperbole, tradition, and personal opinion. The faith may bring us closer to God, but the religious differences can pull us so far away from God that we forget Him.
Jesus didn't "found" Christianity.  He was a Jew. He simply stated He was the way. His followers founded the religious variants.
If you look at the four Gospels, you'll notice that they do not target the "heart" of man (for the ways of the heart are deceptive and treacherous). They target the mindset of various groups of men. They appeal to the intellect, and later, soften the "heart".
Even Jesus never first went after the heart of men. He quietly amazed them first. He made them think of possibilities. Then once He had their attention, He challenged and piqued their intellect. All the while their own hearts opened and softened. Then He left it up to them to decide to follow or not.
Finally, Jesus was anything but passive. Had that been so, He would have stayed in one spot and let others come to Him. No, He went everywhere, talked with eveyone. Recruited followers, who in turn went out and recruited others, to this day.
On Christmas Eve 1914, in the trenches of Europe, one Christian soldier did something unheard of in war. He threw something at the enemy, and they hit the dirt expecting an explosion and carnage. Nothing happened. So the "enemy" looked around to find the dud bomb. It was a Turkey. Ready to cook and eat. Another Christian soldier from the enemy's side threw something back, with similar results as the first time. Only when they looked around, they saw a bottle of wine.
For a day, World War I stopped, because of the aggresive actions of two Christian soldiers from opposite sides of the battle field. The power of two Christians united in a single cause is the same as the power of 10,000 men. It must be so, for not a shot rang out that day. In fact the two sides played soccer together in no man's land, shared chocolate, cigarettes and food.
Christmas Day ended, the 26th of December dawned, and the two forces went about annhilating eachother. But for a day there was peace and good will between enemies, because of the aggresiveness of two Christians. One took a chance, and the other took an oppertunity.
There is no greatest religion in the world. Only Faith, hope and Love.
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and if those two soldiers had listened to Jesus from the bible, they would not have been there in the first place ,so rather than just having one day that they did not kill anyone, they would not have killed anyone at all , because they would have applied the teachings of Jesus every day of their lives.just another way of looking at it.
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02-08-2006, 12:56 PM
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religion shouldn't be a philosophical system for which one can agree or disagree
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I think it should. I think religion should be about being free to inquire, self-discovery, gaining knowledge and cultivation. For me it is not just about being close to god, it is about abridging the difference between the soul and the supreme/man and the universe. To find that invisible thread in the visible that intertwines us with all of this universe.
Otherwise to me it's presents a contradiction of our free will. If we have free will to choose what we want, then we should likewise have free will in questioning everything, including the bible.
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02-08-2006, 03:08 PM
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and if those two soldiers had listened to Jesus from the bible, they would not have been there in the first place ,so rather than just having one day that they did not kill anyone, they would not have killed anyone at all , because they would have applied the teachings of Jesus every day of their lives.just another way of looking at it.
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Two corporals are not enough to stop a war. Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's and God what is God's. They had to follow the governments that God put before them. That too is biblical.
That isn't the issue however, the original thought of this post was the greatest Religion in the world. I was pointing out that there is none. I was also pointing out that Christianity is a faith, not a religion.
The two soldiers did not act on religion, but on faith. Regardless of where they were in life, they took a chance and seized an opportunity. As a result, it is history... for a day, they literally stopped the war.
You are correct, if they'd had listened, if the Kaiser had listened, if the Duce had listened, if the Austrians and the Bulgarians and the Prussians and the Russians had listened, history would be very different...
But we are talking about the greatest religion in the World.
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02-09-2006, 03:27 PM
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Two corporals are not enough to stop a war. Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's and God what is God's. They had to follow the governments that God put before them. That too is biblical.
That isn't the issue however, the original thought of this post was the greatest Religion in the world. I was pointing out that there is none. I was also pointing out that Christianity is a faith, not a religion.
The two soldiers did not act on religion, but on faith. Regardless of where they were in life, they took a chance and seized an opportunity. As a result, it is history...for a day, they literally stopped the war.
You are correct, if they'd had listened, if the Kaiser had listened, if the Duce had listened, if the Austrians and the Bulgarians and the Prussians and the Russians had listened, history would be very different...
But we are talking about the greatest religion in the World.
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well i think that the greatest religion would be the one that acted like Jesus apostles
Like Jesus Christ’s persecuted apostles,they would say "We must obey God as ruler rather than men."—Acts 5:29 so yes, as you said , we have to obey the goverments of the land we live in, but only if those laws do not overrule Gods laws,
when there is a conflict between man’s law and God’s law, Christians must be guided by their Bible-trained conscience. They "must obey God as ruler rather than men."—Acts 5:29
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02-11-2006, 06:46 PM
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well i think that the greatest religion would be the one that acted like Jesus apostles
Like Jesus Christ’s persecuted apostles,they would say "We must obey God as ruler rather than men."—Acts 5:29 so yes, as you said , we have to obey the goverments of the land we live in, but only if those laws do not overrule Gods laws,
when there is a conflict between man’s law and God’s law, Christians must be guided by their Bible-trained conscience. They "must obey God as ruler rather than men."—Acts 5:29
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Yes, but people are not perfect like Jesus was, we make mistakes. That's why the Bible says we don't earn out spot in Heaven, it is a gift of God's grace. That war was obvoiusly not something Jesus would support, but God used this bad war to show is greatness (in this instance) through the actions of those two soldiers.
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I've come to the conclusion that Christianity is the religion that can bring you closet to God and is therefore the greatest religion in the world. Something I've come to accept, one of them is, religion shouldn't be a philosophical system for which one can agree or disagree. I also figured out that Christianity is probably the most mystical religion on earth.
"Life is a bridge pass it but don't build on it". Jesus the founder of Christianity gave his life to bridge humans to God! So since the deed was paid, only something simple as acceptance and faith in Jesus would take you closer to God. You should not rely on your intellect when considering Christianity, you should rely on your heart.
Read the bible, consider the passive words of Christ and let them pass through your heart.
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I agree with you, Christianity is the greatest religion in the world. Upon trying to learn more about it, I've read books made by skeptics and the like who in turn find the truth in Christianity, with undenyable statistics that anyone with a rational mind could not just say "meh." Also there are many people who have converted to Christianity from other religions becuase they felt much closer to God. Also the whole theology of Christianity sets itself above and beyond that of other religions.
Upon my readings about Christianity, I have found that there is far too much truth to it than anyother religion, and God proves that this is the way, and the life.
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02-13-2006, 12:39 AM
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Yes, but people are not perfect like Jesus was, we make mistakes. That's why the Bible says we don't earn out spot in Heaven, it is a gift of God's grace. That war was obvoiusly not something Jesus would support, but God used this bad war to show is greatness (in this instance) through the actions of those two soldiers.
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the apostles were not perfect but they did obey God rather than men
"We must obey God as ruler rather than men."—ACTS 5:29
The apostles were law-abiding men who would not normally disobey a court order. However, no human, no matter how powerful, is authorized to order another to disobey one of God’s commands. Jehovah is "the Most High over all the earth." (Psalm 83:18) Not only is he "the Judge of all the earth" but he is also the Supreme Lawgiver, as well as the King of eternity. Any court order that attempts to override one of God’s commands is invalid from God’s standpoint.—Genesis 18:25; Isaiah 33:22.
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03-12-2007, 05:26 PM
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Just contemplating on the recent Christianity sticky...
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03-13-2007, 06:24 AM
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Christianity is ...the greatest religion in the world.
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Sorry, I cannot agree with the above statement. The present Christianity is not even the religion of Jesus; he never believed in it. It is based on concepts of Paul, not of Jesus.
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03-13-2007, 08:47 AM
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Sorry, I cannot agree with the above statement. The present Christianity is not even the religion of Jesus; he never believed in it. It is based on concepts of Paul, not of Jesus.
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Nah son, everything Paul wrote was based on what Jesus taught. Plus Paul was in close association to Jesus' diciples, so if Paul was teaching something contrary to what Jesus did, he would have been confronted about it. Not to mention the Bible says that Paul talked to the diciples so they knew he was speaking the truth.
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03-13-2007, 11:55 AM
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Nah son, everything Paul wrote was based on what Jesus taught. Plus Paul was in close association to Jesus' diciples, so if Paul was teaching something contrary to what Jesus did, he would have been confronted about it. Not to mention the Bible says that Paul talked to the diciples so they knew he was speaking the truth.
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That is not the case.
1.Everything Paul wrote was not based on what Jesus taught.Paul took never lessons from him.
2.Paul did not work in association to Jesus' diciples; when they heard what he was teaching, they called him to Jerusalem, but Paul did not meet them.
3.Paul was teaching something contrary to what Jesus did, that is why he did not confront them. That might be Paul's own narration that he talked to the diciples ,they knew he was not speaking the truth.
This is all mentioned in the article The Pauline Conspiracyby A. Victor Garaffa. http://www.comparative-religion.com/...ne_conspiracy/.Please read it carefully to know the truth.
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