Hair... Advice? - Page 2

InLove · 01-15-2007, 09:07 PM

Brian,

Here I go again--been out of that business for about a decade, but there is a process that was beginning to be used here in the States at that time, and I think it is still around. Anything we have here in the way of hair lightening techniques, usually Europe has first. I am trying to recall what the name of that process was (age affecting the inside of my head at least as much as the outside.) Anyway, it was not so harsh on fine hair as standard bleaching techniques. However, it was usually used as a highlighting technique rather that an all-over deal--and as far as I know, the product was not available to the general public.

I will try and remember what it was called. The last salon I worked at recently disbanded, so I can't call 'em up anymore to ask things like this. I thought I'd go ahead and post a response in the meantime, in the event that there is someone else out there reading who might remember what I don't at the moment.

(And there is a certain amount of substance to wil's conclusion, too!)

InPeace,
InLove

17th Angel · 01-16-2007, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dauer

17th,

I dyed my hair green a couple times when I was younger. I have very dark brown hair, and underneath it is red. That's why my beard is so red; doesn't have the same brown in it the hair on the top of my hair does. If you want it bright red you'll have to bleach it, and bleaching it to white is the best way to go. You have to make sure you don't bleach too long, but also not too short. If you take off the bleach you can't reapply it without burning your scalp. From there I'd suggest something like manic panic, which does come in some verrry red colors. Only thing with manic panic is it's semi-permanent so if you want to maintain vibrant colors, eventually you'll have to reapply. My hair started out looking bright green, like fresh, healthy grass on a well-groomed lawn. But after some time passed it looked like I'd spent too much time in the pool.

Dauer

My thanks.

That is basically what I have done... Now it's "body" is dark black/red and bright red strips.

cavalier · 01-16-2007, 02:25 PM

You've gotta give us a picture

17th Angel · 01-16-2007, 02:40 PM

Once I get a camera I shall... Well, I'll try my old camera, but since dizzy (one of my staffords) decided to make it a chew toy, it don't work so swell.

Snoopy · 01-16-2007, 07:29 PM

Hi,

I'm bracing myself..........................

I, Brian · 01-16-2007, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InLove

Brian,

Here I go again--been out of that business for about a decade, but there is a process that was beginning to be used here in the States at that time, and I think it is still around. Anything we have here in the way of hair lightening techniques, usually Europe has first. I am trying to recall what the name of that process was (age affecting the inside of my head at least as much as the outside.) Anyway, it was not so harsh on fine hair as standard bleaching techniques. However, it was usually used as a highlighting technique rather that an all-over deal--and as far as I know, the product was not available to the general public.

I will try and remember what it was called. The last salon I worked at recently disbanded, so I can't call 'em up anymore to ask things like this. I thought I'd go ahead and post a response in the meantime, in the event that there is someone else out there reading who might remember what I don't at the moment.

(And there is a certain amount of substance to wil's conclusion, too!)

InPeace,
InLove

Sounds great - I'd rather not have to wait another 30 years for the grey to appear, develop, and then fade to white, though.

InLove · 01-18-2007, 05:05 PM

Hi again, Brian--

After a few nights of restorative slumber, I have finally recalled the name of the product that we used to lighten fine hair without so much damage. It was a product by Farouk called "Sunglitz". The first line we used would not lighten all the way to white, but then they came out with a different formula and voila! However, like I was saying, this was about thirteen years ago in the U.S. And it was a highlighting technique, but I used it heavily on a few clients with dark to medium blonde hair, and got some good results. I did some surfing, and it looks like the product is still out there, but I don't know if it has changed. Anyway, maybe you can ask your local colorist about it. (If they laugh really hard, don't come back and embarass me too badly, okay?

)

Best wishes for a whiter shade of pale.

InPeace,
InLove

17th Angel · 01-19-2007, 09:08 AM

Ah screw that, I brian get some strong industrial bleach and just plant it all over your hair.... Leave it for two hours then wash out in hot water.

Francis king · 01-19-2007, 01:41 PM

lol... as has been said, bleaching hair that is coloured red is a dodgy task, especially if the red dye is henna based... apart from that 40% peroxide and 45 minutes suffering the agonies of burning ur skin off should see it go white, after that, then u can dye it any colour u like...unless ur hair is in bad condition, and if it is, then u might end up with extensive breakage...

as for bleaching fine hair- as its blond, and fine, ur development time should be about 15-20 minutes, any longer than that and ur hair just might snap off and leave u bald...

stargazer and riche make good strong colours- try em! and jerome russell do a good bleaching kit for guys.. just thought I'd mention it...

I, Brian · 01-20-2007, 06:21 PM

Thanks for the product tip, InLove - will watch out for it.

Also found some advice here, which suggests a multi-stage approach:
Lightening Hair Bleaching hair

flowperson · 01-21-2007, 03:07 AM

I sure enough did have fun listening to all of this. I only wish that I had enough hair to dye.

flow....

path_of_one · 01-21-2007, 04:18 AM

Hmmm... interesting. I've been dying my hair black for six years now and I'm contemplating going back to a bright, darkish red again... if I can. I was red for about two years and I'm kind of getting sick of the black now.

I'm a bit scared by the bleaching process though. I don't want my hair to be totally wrecked. And it would take forever. My hair is now mid-back length and is really thick.

I wouldn't do it myself, and I'm still worried about it enough to (so far) keep me from doing it. In Love, if I've been dying my hair for the last 8-9 years but never bleached it and it seems pretty strong, would it make it through the bleaching process OK or would it die? Any ideas? I do not want the bald look. LOL

17th Angel · 01-22-2007, 08:45 AM

Relax it worked for me

And my hair technically is bright/white blonde... so quite fair and weak? Bleaching it from it's dyed colour was fine... Go for it! Or give me 20 bucks an I'll do it!

InLove · 01-22-2007, 04:44 PM

Hey path--

Red is probably the easiest color to acheive, even on the darkest hair. I don't think you will have to employ "bleach" at all. I don't know whether you have been using a temporary color or a permanent one, but that can make a difference. The trick is not to put semi-permanent color over a permanent one, or you may not get any color change at all--in fact, your hair might even get darker! If you have been using a permanent color, then you may want to shampoo with a stripping agent before you try to go lighter. There are several professional products out there for this purpose, but I have found that a few sessions with something like Prell (if they still sell it) works just as well for a lot less money (Prell will take the wax off your floors!).

The other consideration is the condition of your hair. If it is in good shape (doesn't tangle, break or frizz easily, and you have no other chemical processing such as a body wave), then you shouldn't have too much to worry about. And if your hair naturally contains a good deal of red tones, then you are not likely to have many problems.

That said, I still advise asking your local pro, because I am not up-to-date on the newest products. And it really is worth a few extra bucks if you've got them, because orange is easy to acheive, too! (I am thinking you want that deep auburn-ish look, probably?)

And everyone, unless green is your goal, stay away from ash tones without professional guidance. They can cover up unwanted red really well one time, and turn you into a Martian the next!

InPeace,
InLove

(Edited to add: Path, have you ever tried a henna treatment? It isn't permanent and the results can be a bit unpredictable, but it is kind of fun, it's good for your hair, and the rule about no temp color over permanent does not apply.)

InLove · 01-22-2007, 08:29 PM

Path_of_one--

I should clarify (or basically correct) something I wrote. I said:

Quote:

I don't think you will have to employ "bleach" at all.

What I mean is that I don't think you will need a double process, where you lighten the hair first and then apply a tint. But you may need a single-process product that contains peroxide, depending on how dark your natural color is and whether you have been using a permanent tint.

Just thought I'd say that.

InPeace,
InLove