Has the bible been altered? Not translated, interpreted, but altered?

[mens_sana]

Post #15 is irrelevant to the question of whether the Bible has been deliberately altered.

[mee]

Originally Posted by mens_sana

Post #15 is irrelevant to the question of whether the Bible has been deliberately altered.

Many bibles have been deliberately altered, to try to make it go along with manmade doctrines ,


1 John 5:7, 8:

KJ reads: “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.” (Dy also includes this Trinitarian passage.) However, NW does not include the words “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth.” (RS, NE, TEV, JB, NAB also leave out the Trinitarian passage.)

Regarding this Trinitarian passage, textual critic F. H. A. Scrivener wrote: “We need not hesitate to declare our conviction that the disputed words were not written by St. John: that they were originally brought into Latin copies in Africa from the margin, where they had been placed as a pious and orthodox gloss on ver. 8: that from the Latin they crept into two or three late Greek codices, and thence into the printed Greek text, a place to which they had no rightful claim.”—A Plain Introduction to the Criticism of the New Testament (Cambridge, 1883, third ed.), p. 654.


oh dear ,the things that have happened to cloud the true thoughts of God
but no worries spurious words are not in the Good translations out there . =THE NEW WORLD TRANSLATION


this is one of the best out there , no traditions of man to cloud the thought.

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by mee

oh dear ,the things that have happened to cloud the true thoughts of God
but no worries spurious words are not in the Good translations out there . =THE NEW WORLD TRANSLATION


this is one of the best out there , no traditions of man to cloud the thought.

LOL mee - that comment just induced my cat to spit up a hair ball.

[mee]

Originally Posted by pattimax

LOL mee - that comment just induced my cat to spit up a hair ball.

yes the best of things have a powerful effect


“For the word of God is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of the soul and spirit, and of the joints and their marrow, and is able to discern the thoughts and intentions of the heart.”—Heb. 4:12.



maybe he has been chewing on some powerful stuff,


you must have a cat who likes spiritual food

[mee]

For there are three witness bearers, 8 the spirit and the water and the blood, and the three are in agreement. 1 JOHN 5;7-8


now thats more like it should be ,

nothing to cloud the words of God.

[mee]

double post sorry

[mee]

Think about this: If the Bible had remained only in ancient Hebrew and Greek, it might have “died” long ago, for those languages were in time virtually forgotten by the masses and were never known in many parts of the earth. Yet, the Bible is very much alive because, unlike any other book, it can “speak” to people the world over in their own language. As a result, its message remains “at work in [its] believers.” (1 Thessalonians 2:13) The Jerusalem Bible renders these words: “It is still a living power among you who believe it.”

[Bruce Michael]

Originally Posted by mee

truth is never lost , but sometimes we have to dig a bit deeper to find it , and that includes a good accurate translation of the bible , and some times that good translation is right in front of us , but we could be misled to dismiss it .

Hello mee,
Every age translates the Bible to suit it needs.

Jesus Christ is God: A Response to Jehovah's Witnesses

Does Titus 2:13 teach that Jesus is God our Savior?
Titus 2:13 reads: "While we wait for the blessed hope -- the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ" (NIV). Paul is expressly stating that it is Jesus who is our great God and Savior. But the Jehovah's witnesses dispute this, rendering the passage in their NWT: "While we wait for the happy hope and glorious manifestation of the great God and of [the] Savior of us, Christ Jesus." The NWT adds the word 'the', putting it in parenthesis in front of the word Savior. This obscures the fact that Paul clearly called Jesus "our God and Savior," making it read as if he were speaking of two separate persons here.

In Christ Jesus we have the manifestation of the Creative Word of God.
The Archangel Michael works for the Christ but is distinct from Him.

In Christ,
Br.Bruce

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by Bruce Michael

Jesus Christ is God: A Response to Jehovah's Witnesses
In Christ Jesus we have the manifestation of the Creative Word of God.

so true.

[mee]

Of the great God and of our savior christ Jesus .
The Riverside New
Testament,Boston and New York.1934



Of the great God and of our saviour Christ Jesus A New Translation of the Bible by James Moffatt,New York and London 1935




Of the great God and of our savior Jesus Christ (translated from French) La Sainte Bible, by Louis Segond, Paris 1957


of the great God and of our savior Christ Jesus The New American Bible,
New York and London. 1970




of the great God and of Christ Jesus our saviour The New Testament in modern English by J,B,Phillips,New York 1972




yes ,the new world translation is not the only one to translate in the correct way .




of the great God and of our Savior Christ Jesus
New World Translation of the christian Greek scriptures Brooklyn



Therefore, in Tit 2:13, two distinct persons, Jehovah God and Jesus Christ, are mentioned. Throughout the Holy Scriptures it is not possible to identify Jehovah and Jesus as being the same individual.

[mee]

Of the Great God and of [the] Savior of Us, Christ Jesus”

Tit 2:13—Gr., τοῦ μεγάλου θεοῦ καὶ σωτῆρος ἡμῶν Χριστοῦ ᾿Ιησοῦ

(tou me·ga′lou The·ou′ kai so·te′ros he·mon′ Khri·stou′ I·e·sou′)

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by mee

you must have a cat who likes spiritual food

The NWT invokes kitty puke.

[mee]

Originally Posted by pattimax

The NWT invokes kitty puke.

many people are misled by religious leaders to dismiss good bibles , such as the NEW WORLD TRANSLATION , but as you can see other translators are in agreement with the NEW WORLD TRANSLATION .


getting back to the original word of God is the thing to do . without any manmade tradtions to cloud the thought .


i am glad to say that the NEW WORLD TRANSLATION is a very good translation ,

but many have been misled to reject it ,


but many have not been misled, they lap it up , then they become SPIRITUALLY STRONG the truth will set us free

[mens_sana]

Originally Posted by mee

many people are misled by religious leaders to dismiss good bibles , such as the NEW WORLD TRANSLATION , but as you can see other translators are in agreement with the NEW WORLD TRANSLATION .

Several sections of the New World Translation are doctrinally important to the Jehovah's Witnesses. These sections have been altered from the original text in order to support the JW theology. Not a single one of the other translations agrees with the JW version in these sections. To say that they do is quite dishonest.

I like The New Oxford Annotated Bible from Oxford University Press. I have not been misled by any religious leader. I like that edition because of the particularly informative annotations, ones which throw considerable light on the murkier sections and place the text in the context of the time in which each book was written.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mens_sana

Several sections of the New World Translation are doctrinally important to the Jehovah's Witnesses. These sections have been altered from the original text in order to support the JW theology. Not a single one of the other translations agrees with the JW version in these sections. To say that they do is quite dishonest.

I like The New Oxford Annotated Bible from Oxford University Press. I have not been misled by any religious leader. I like that edition because of the particularly informative annotations, ones which throw considerable light on the murkier sections and place the text in the context of the time in which each book was written.

I guess we make God and God's word, in our own image...