Has the bible been altered? Not translated, interpreted, but altered? - Page 3

juantoo3 · 12-29-2007, 07:01 AM

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I guess we make God and God's word, in our own image...

Horrible tendency, that.

mee · 12-29-2007, 12:14 PM

some translators are after the pure world of God , and THE NEW WORLD TRANSLATION is it

read it on line , on the official Jehovahs witness site .
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greymare · 12-29-2007, 12:23 PM

so,,,, what you all are saying is that yes the bible has been altered/translated over the centuries. yes?

EVER HEARD OF CHINESE WHISPERS?

mee · 12-29-2007, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by greymare

so,,,, what you all are saying is that yes the bible has been altered/translated over the centuries. yes?

EVER HEARD OF CHINESE WHISPERS?

its good to know that in the time of the end true knowledge would become abundant Daniel 12;4

and that includes getting the bible back to the original thoughts of God ,because over the centuries many thoughts of men have clouded the thoughts of God . but true knowledge is now abundant

And as for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of [the] end. Many will rove about, and the [true] knowledge will become abundant.”Daniel 12;4

in this time that we live in NOW , not only are many prophecies understood , but the translation has been brought back to the real thoughts of God .

satan has tried to blot out the truth of Gods word in many ways, but the pure word of God will remain forever .

Quahom1 · 12-29-2007, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mee

its good to know that in the time of the end true knowledge would become abundant Daniel 12;4

and that includes getting the bible back to the original thoughts of God ,because over the centuries many thoughts of men have clouded the thoughts of God . but true knowledge is now abundant

And as for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of [the] end. Many will rove about, and the [true] knowledge will become abundant.”Daniel 12;4

in this time that we live in NOW , not only are many prophecies understood , but the translation has been brought back to the real thoughts of God .

satan has tried to blot out the truth of Gods word in many ways, but the pure word of God will remain forever .

First off the Book of Daniel was never intended to be part of a "bible". It was meant to stand on its own. So in that light, your true "bible" is a joke.

Bible, is short for Bibliography, which in short means "library".

The pure word of God is written in every man's heart Mee. No translation is needed. Just an open mind and a willing heart to do as God instructs, suggests, or mentions...

Muslimwoman · 12-29-2007, 05:30 PM

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The pure word of God is written in every man's heart Mee. No translation is needed.

mens_sana · 12-29-2007, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

I guess we make God and God's word, in our own image...

Peerhaps you should speak for yourself.

mens_sana · 12-29-2007, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by greymare

so,,,, what you all are saying is that yes the bible has been altered/translated over the centuries. yes?

EVER HEARD OF CHINESE WHISPERS?

1) Yes, it has been altered, usually to provide "authentication" for the beliefs of one's own cult.

2) I had to look up "Chinese Whispers." I had always just called it the "Telephone Game." It is a good explanation of how the earliest levels of the Jesus Sayings lost their original context. Later the gospel writers invented new contexts for the sayings, but of course quite often the context determines the meaning. Oops. A contemporary example is the good joke punch line. It is always quite short and quite memorable so that the punch line stays with you, while the original context fades away or gets altered to meet the expectations of the new audience. I think almost everyone has made up a new "introduction" to a memorable punch line because the original context was forgotten.

mens_sana · 12-29-2007, 07:06 PM

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First off the Book of Daniel was never intended to be part of a "bible". It was meant to stand on its own.

That's quite true, especially since it was written pretty close to 164 BC by someone who was offering reassurance to Israel that YHWH would settle the hash of Antiochus IV Epiphanes and the Abomination Desolation which Antiochus had placed in the Jerusalem Temple.

If mee had read the Daniel annotations in the New Oxford Annotated Bible, mee would know this.

Quahom1 · 12-29-2007, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mens_sana

Peerhaps you should speak for yourself.

Oh? and what image is God to you? And who are you to chastise me, for speaking the truth?

I swear, people can dish it out, but can't take it themselves...

greymare · 12-29-2007, 07:49 PM

Whammy.

mens_sana · 12-29-2007, 08:07 PM

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Oh? and what image is God to you? And who are you to chastise me, for speaking the truth?

I swear, people can dish it out, but can't take it themselves...

I distrust anyone who tells me that he has the "truth," especially in these days of ideological megalomania.

"No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says: he is always convinced that it says what he means." -- George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)

mens_sana · 12-29-2007, 08:08 PM

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Whammy.

Where?

mee · 12-29-2007, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

No translation is needed. Just an open mind and a willing heart to do as God instructs, suggests, or mentions...

very true and its all in the complete bible . thats where we find out instruction from God.

All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.2 timothy 3;16-17

mee · 12-29-2007, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mens_sana

That's quite true, especially since it was written pretty close to 164 BC by someone who was offering reassurance to Israel that YHWH would settle the hash of Antiochus IV Epiphanes and the Abomination Desolation which Antiochus had placed in the Jerusalem Temple.

If mee had read the Daniel annotations in the New Oxford Annotated Bible, mee would know this.

The unique book of Daniel contains two very different threads—one is narrative, the other is prophetic.

Daniel directs our attention to the Kingdom of God in the hands of His appointed King and associate "holy ones," pointing to it as the government that will endure forever. This government will fully accomplish Jehovah’s purpose for our earth and will result in the blessing of all those who want to serve God.—Daniel 2:44; 7:13, 14, 22.