Hatred In Religion - with Video Footage

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by Joedjr

Hi,
My .02. Hatred and racism are learned at the kitchen table. I don't think it's confined to any particular religion or group of people. You are right though, in the churches and temples it is not address but seems to be "swept under the rug".
I find this "a breath of fresh air" BBC NEWS | Europe | Pope urges fight against racism Things like this will help squeeze out, little by little the discolor that resides in some of the hearts, in at least one group of folks.
Joe

I agree it is swept under the rug.
Only problem with the pope is, it is all about politics and people do not listen to them any more because that religion has no room to talk.

[dbanks82]

I am very aware that religous hatred is real. It is not however limited to religous people. Atheists I have meet at times have very strong feeling of hate towards religous people. Believe me as an lds missionary for two years I had three atheists that came up and spit in my face and told me to have my god do something about it. That being said I cannot and will not stereotype atheists as hated filled monsters. I think a lot it comes down to justification. I have heard a quote that says an evil person never knows he is evil. And I think an easy way to justify evil action is by convincing yourself that you are doing gods will. I have studied many of the prominent mass murders such as Stalin, Hitler, and Pol pot. All of them believed they were doing a good thing. Some used religon others used a Philosophy. And some preyed on existing racial and religious prejudice. I think tolerance has to be the key. People need to look for the good in all religions and stop wasting so much time and money bashing others for their beliefs. People need to stop being judgmental and avoid stereotypes at all costs. Also people need to realize that humans are not perfect and will make mistakes and must be willing to forgive one another. I know I sound very idealistic and these things will probably never happen but all I can do is hope. Hope that soon humanity will wake up and realize that all this hate needs to go. Its a sad lesson that we as a people have never been able to learn.

[Nick_A]

Originally Posted by dbanks82

I am very aware that religous hatred is real. It is not however limited to religous people. Atheists I have meet at times have very strong feeling of hate towards religous people. Believe me as an lds missionary for two years I had three atheists that came up and spit in my face and told me to have my god do something about it. That being said I cannot and will not stereotype atheists as hated filled monsters. I think a lot it comes down to justification. I have heard a quote that says an evil person never knows he is evil. And I think an easy way to justify evil action is by convincing yourself that you are doing gods will. I have studied many of the prominent mass murders such as Stalin, Hitler, and Pol pot. All of them believed they were doing a good thing. Some used religon others used a Philosophy. And some preyed on existing racial and religious prejudice. I think tolerance has to be the key. People need to look for the good in all religions and stop wasting so much time and money bashing others for their beliefs. People need to stop being judgmental and avoid stereotypes at all costs. Also people need to realize that humans are not perfect and will make mistakes and must be willing to forgive one another. I know I sound very idealistic and these things will probably never happen but all I can do is hope. Hope that soon humanity will wake up and realize that all this hate needs to go. Its a sad lesson that we as a people have never been able to learn.

Why must it go? Wouldn't you just be taking the fun and satisfactions out of life? If it were wanted, don't you think people would be spending their money on how to change. But if you look at what we call the "arts" it is obvious that we really want is to continue as it is. Are you suggesting these people are wrong to feel this way?

[~estrella~]

Originally Posted by Nick_A

Why must it go? Wouldn't you just be taking the fun and satisfactions out of life? If it were wanted, don't you think people would be spending their money on how to change. But if you look at what we call the "arts" it is obvious that we really want is to continue as it is. Are you suggesting these people are wrong to feel this way?

"arts" = modern relativism, again, D.R. Hawkins says that this is contra productive to evolution (I heard in his most recent book he speaks about it). Why do people think they do "good" when doing "bad"? We all act according to our Level of Consciousness, according to our energy-field we are in (or according to the "reality" we perceive from our view-point! the higher the Level of Consciousness, the more we perceive "context", as a photo taken from a higher level includes more things than a photo taken from a low level). The only thing to evolve, is to constantly leave all to His Will and let go of the thought to be able to control the "out-there". It is only ourselves we can change, if ever.

[Nick_A]

Originally Posted by ~estrella~

"arts" = modern relativism, again, D.R. Hawkins says that this is contra productive to evolution (I heard in his most recent book he speaks about it). Why do people think they do "good" when doing "bad"? We all act according to our Level of Consciousness, according to our energy-field we are in (or according to the "reality" we perceive from our view-point! the higher the Level of Consciousness, the more we perceive "context", as a photo taken from a higher level includes more things than a photo taken from a low level). The only thing to evolve, is to constantly leave all to His Will and let go of the thought to be able to control the "out-there". It is only ourselves we can change, if ever.

You may appreciate this book by Prof. Needleman: Why Can't We be Good."

Amazon.com: Why Can't We Be Good?: Jacob Needleman: Books

He gives a talk on it here:

FORA.tv - Why Can't We Be Good?

He provides an insight into perspective you may appreciate.

[Dondi]

Originally Posted by Out of the Box

What I find remarkable, is that hatred seems to be very common in Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) but not so in other religions. Can anyone offer examples of Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Shinto, Asatru or other non-Abrahamic religions being used as an excuse for hate?

I'd say you've been misinformed:

The co-existence of violence and non-violence in Hinduism | Ecumenical Review, The | Find Articles at BNET

Hindu Fascist Violence Against Christians Pak Alert Press

Worthy Christian News India Christians Injured As Hindu Violence Rocks State

Now Buddhism becomes a religion of violence

Muslims Victims of Buddhist Violence?! Rasheed Gonzales

[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by Out of the Box

How do these examples of violence relate to the actual religions? I can imagine that some may proclaim to be Buddhists and still use violence, but Buddhism as a philosophy puts such a big stress on non-violence that it's pretty much impossible to use Buddhism as an excuse (which is what Jews, Christians and Muslems seem to have far less problems with).

OK, so now you are perfectly able distinguish between nationalist hatred and violence vs. religion, but in the case of Judaism they are somehow inseparable?

Have you read the Prophets of the OT?

[17th Angel]

OOTB: Two words, Caste - System.....?

--EDIT--

Luna: LOL You did it again you stalker!

[dauer]

DT Suzuki validated violence and backed it with Buddhist philosophy. Other Buddhist teachers did too.

Dark Zen - Zen Holy War?

But I think Luna hit the nail on the head in post 54.