Heaven, Hell and Reincarnation.

[NiceCupOfTea]

Originally Posted by jerryjay

Wil
I had a near death experience as I fell in to the darkness my whole life passed before me. All things good and bad were brought to light. There was no changing anything, what was done was done. I saw thousands of people all in sorrow, greiving, crying, and pleading. Hell is the absents of the goodness of God and the Glory of God. As you can tell I am alive today by the grace of God. I was dead spiritually before but now I live for Jesus, I pick-up His cross everyday and follow Him.
If you are not a Born-Again Christian accept Jesus soon.....
JerryJay

Well said

[wil]

Originally Posted by jerryjay

Wil
I had a near death experience as I fell in to the darkness my whole life passed before me. All things good and bad were brought to light. There was no changing anything, what was done was done. I saw thousands of people all in sorrow, greiving, crying, and pleading. Hell is the absents of the goodness of God and the Glory of God. As you can tell I am alive today by the grace of God. I was dead spiritually before but now I live for Jesus, I pick-up His cross everyday and follow Him.
If you are not a Born-Again Christian accept Jesus soon.....
JerryJay

Namaste Jerry,

Thanx for the contribution...

What was your belief system prior to the NDE?

[Thomas]

Originally Posted by wil

Now I don't claim to know what the hereafter may bring...

And I hope you don't find out for a long while yet!

Originally Posted by wil

What if the real deal was perfect memory... suddenly seeing all the things you've done in your life(ves) and all their reprecussions... sort of like that book of records...but the permanent record is now in your head....

I think the problem with memory is that it's always one step removed from the now? Memory is resistant to change, in that it tries to see new things according to old things ... things it already knows ... so the saying you can't teach an old dog is not cos old dogs lack learning skills, but rather get set in their ways?

Children live in the now, not in their history ...

Memories make us old ... from what I know of you, you seem a forever young kinda guy to me ... ?

Originally Posted by wil

That perfect memory....that could be heaven, or that could be hell...

Well I think we agree that hell is what we make it ... so what if our memories confine us in some way, keep us apart from what really is?


God bless,

Thomas

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by Thomas

Memory is resistant to change


Thomas

I'm not sure. The idea that memories are like files kept safely stored, available for access unchanged is a bit out of date I think. Memories are prone to being 'worked on' whilst in our subconscious and are thus somewhat malleable. If we are able to bring them to our consciousness they may yet be changed (without us realising it).

s.

[Snoopy]

I would say that a definite hell is the absence of a functioning memory.

s.

[Thomas]

Hi Snoopy —

Originally Posted by Snoopy

I'm not sure...

A good point — you've shown up a rather sweeping generalisation on my part.

God bless,

Thomas

[jerryjay]

Originally Posted by wil

Namaste Jerry,

Thanx for the contribution...

What was your belief system prior to the NDE?

Namaste
I was raised Catholic from the age of a child, I admit, I wasn’t a good Catholic but I kept my foot in the door just in case Heaven and Hell were real. At the age of 55 I had my first heart attack and near death experience. For the next 6 months I spent much time in rehab and getting my body in a healthier condition. Then while walking for exercise I had my second heart attack. Then came the third, through all of this I dieted, exercised and started eating better. But didn’t do anything for my spirit and soul, that’s when I started searching for the truth and found Jesus.
Jerryjay

[wil]

Originally Posted by jerryjay

Namaste
I was raised Catholic from the age of a child, I admit, I wasn’t a good Catholic but I kept my foot in the door just in case Heaven and Hell were real. At the age of 55 I had my first heart attack and near death experience. For the next 6 months I spent much time in rehab and getting my body in a healthier condition. Then while walking for exercise I had my second heart attack. Then came the third, through all of this I dieted, exercised and started eating better. But didn’t do anything for my spirit and soul, that’s when I started searching for the truth and found Jesus.
Jerryjay

That is my contemplation....

I wonder how people differ on their NDE experiences based on their paradigm, their previous experiences, their religious upbringing....eg what is in their realm of acceptablity....

[wil]

Originally Posted by Thomas

And I hope you don't find out for a long while yet!


I think the problem with memory is that it's always one step removed from the now? Memory is resistant to change, in that it tries to see new things according to old things ... things it already knows ... so the saying you can't teach an old dog is not cos old dogs lack learning skills, but rather get set in their ways?

Children live in the now, not in their history ...

Memories make us old ... from what I know of you, you seem a forever young kinda guy to me ... ?


Well I think we agree that hell is what we make it ... so what if our memories confine us in some way, keep us apart from what really is?


God bless,

Thomas

thanx brother.

I've got to say, I so appreciate the discussion, the reparte, the learning that occurs, and while we are on differing sides of a perceived fence, tilling differently perceived gardens, I think we are developing a mutual admiration of understanding and some beneficial cross polination.

I wish you and yours a long and healthy too....

[AndrewX]

Concerning Rebirth as the Law governing human existence (or all of existence, if we call it the Law of Evolution] ... as any good fisherman will tell you, the little ones need throwing back.

But as any good Irishman knows, that fish gets bigger every time you tell the story.

~Oannes

[Well, actually I just wrote it; who knows where it came from.]