Hell

Postmaster · 02-05-2005, 12:51 AM

Hell is a temporary place of suffering for sinners after death. When evil is finally defeated the souls of sinners will be released from hell, and will be purified by the ordeal of molten metal. They will then join the congregation of God and the saints.

(please do not confuse poetic words as literal words, no words can describe hell, or maybe they can, but looking at things in a literal sense is not good for wisdom of good sometimes)

Or is there no escaping hell?

Quahom1 · 02-05-2005, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Postmaster

Hell is a temporary place of suffering for sinners after death. When evil is finally defeated the souls of sinners will be released from hell, and will be purified by the ordeal of molten metal. They will then join the congregation of God and the saints.

(please do not confuse poetic words as literal words, no words can describe hell, or maybe they can, but looking at things in a literal sense is not good for wisdom of good sometimes)

Or is there no escaping hell?

Tell you what, I know only of the "hell" I was taught as a child. But in time I've realized that there are "little hells", here on earth.

Like the Hell one goes through when losing a wife, or a child, or the hell of being in the gutter with no apparent way out. Each time, we are alone (cut off) from what we hold dear.

Maybe the final Hell is that, to be cut off from what we should have held dear, for ever.

Then again hell may be nothing...and if we are in it, then...

v/r

Q

Faithfulservant · 02-05-2005, 07:44 AM

I always thought that the worst of hell was being cut off from God. Its not one of those question Im curious of the answer for,

I, Brian · 02-05-2005, 01:18 PM

Sounds like you're talking about Purgatory, PM?

Postmaster · 02-05-2005, 03:24 PM

fancy word Brian

.. Yeah and hell in general basically.

Bandit · 02-05-2005, 03:51 PM

"hell": 7585 sh'owl sheh-ole' or shol {sheh-ole'}; from 7592; Hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranean retreat), including its accessories and inmates:--grave, hell, pit.

86 haides hah'-dace from 1 (as negative particle) and 1492; properly, unseen, i.e. "Hades" or the place (state) of departed souls:--grave, hell. 1067 geena gheh'-en-nah of Hebrew origin (1516 and 2011); valley of (the son of) Hinnom; ge-henna (or Ge-Hinnom), a valley of Jerusalem, used (figuratively) as a name for the place (or state) of everlasting punishment:--hell.

5020 tartaroo tar-tar-o'-o from Tartaros (the deepest abyss of Hades); to incarcerate in eternal torment:--cast down to hell.

Rev.20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

ISFP · 02-05-2005, 09:57 PM

Hell is one of those spiritual topics i try to sweep under the conversational rug and not to think about....

but it's a pretty powerful idea, and i admit i used to be terrified of going to Hell when i was little.

i guess now i see Hell as a total lack of connection to anything or anyone that can help one transcend or rise above suffering.

Postmaster · 02-05-2005, 11:46 PM

Ok here is my theory.. The price all humans pay for there existence, our existence being the feeling of selfless and in theory we posses a certain power as god like due to our free will and selfless. My theory has it that we have to pay a price for this existence. If you don't pay it on earth, then you will pay it above (or below). I have recently came to the conclusion that humans only exist because of the dark force and that the boundaries of the universe are dominated by negative force and that every part of our body is dominated negative, simply look at nature, dog eat dog, survival of the fittest, she is destructive and even though our minds are free to think as they like, our bodies still need, to sleep, eat, and excrete so we are not free. We have been placed here to pay the price of our existence. Not paying it now will lead to paying it later. Let life absorb you in her misery. This can be accomplished by preaching good. Everything is an illusion. Maybe there is more to gain by paying the price on earth

You can't take this exsistence and believe its free, nothing is free, nothing is made without an opposite effect.

Faithfulservant · 02-06-2005, 07:28 AM

You post alot of theories.. you say you are a Christian have you ever tried to base your theories on what God tells you in the bible?

Visitor · 02-06-2005, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Postmaster

Hell is a temporary place of suffering for sinners after death. When evil is finally defeated the souls of sinners will be released from hell, and will be purified by the ordeal of molten metal. They will then join the congregation of God and the saints.

(please do not confuse poetic words as literal words, no words can describe hell, or maybe they can, but looking at things in a literal sense is not good for wisdom of good sometimes)

Or is there no escaping hell?

Where does the idea of Hell as temporary suffering leave us in terms of our sense of justice about those who perpetrate great evil? Also, from a Christian perspective, doesn't the sacrifice of Christ do away with the need for anyone to suffer for their sins in the afterlife?

Postmaster · 02-06-2005, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

You post alot of theories.. you say you are a Christian have you ever tried to base your theories on what God tells you in the bible?

Yes. they are based on the bible, I just say them in different words and a twist.

Postmaster · 02-06-2005, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Visitor

Where does the idea of Hell as temporary suffering leave us in terms of our sense of justice about those who perpetrate great evil? Also, from a Christian perspective, doesn't the sacrifice of Christ do away with the need for anyone to suffer for their sins in the afterlife?

The idea that Christ died for us is correct! However the idea that Christ died so that we can sin and get away with it is wrong! We are here to suffer too. That’s what Christianity is all about. The reason we do not need to sacrifice animals is because Christianity did away with the traditions of Judaism it was a religious revolution. This is what is ment by Jesus showed us the light, he showed us that we are in a temporary place and we are constantly fighting the devil on earth and that everything is a mere illusion. These words are divine and this is what is ment by showing us the light

Maybe there is an infinite hell, but I try to believe that God is not superior and that all things in existence are equal, I would prefer to believe that hell is a temporary place, where you are purified. So that you can return to your infinite existence with God or the positive force. Superiority is a negative word and idea

I can't see God taking a status of "above all", not if he is pure love, light and positive force. Superiority is the devils creation so is revenge.

Faithfulservant · 02-06-2005, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Postmaster

The idea that Christ died for us is correct! However the idea that Christ died so that we can sin and get away with it is wrong! We are here to suffer too. That’s what Christianity is all about. The reason we do not need to sacrifice animals is because Christianity did away with the traditions of Judaism it was a religious revolution. This is what is ment by Jesus showed us the light, he showed us that we are in a temporary place and we are constantly fighting the devil on earth and that everything is a mere illusion. These words are divine and this is what is ment by showing us the light

Maybe there is an infinite hell, but I try to believe that God is not superior and that all things in existence are equal, I would prefer to believe that hell is a temporary place, where you are purified. So that you can return to your infinite existence with God or the positive force. Superiority is a negative word and idea

I can't see God taking a status of "above all", not if he is pure love, light and positive force. Superiority is the devils creation so is revenge.

wow.. I dont even know what to say to this.. Christians are here to suffer??..Christianity did away with the traditions of Judiasm??.. God isnt superior???....Superiority is the devils creations (might I point you to your thread about the Greek way of life)? Why do you even believe there is a God if you can mix and match what you believe to what he says in the bible. Is there a new religion in the making.. with you as its founder.. inquiring minds want to know.

Postmaster · 02-06-2005, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

wow.. I dont even know what to say to this.. Christians are here to suffer??..Christianity did away with the traditions of Judiasm??.. God isnt superior???....Superiority is the devils creations (might I point you to your thread about the Greek way of life)? Why do you even believe there is a God if you can mix and match what you believe to what he says in the bible. Is there a new religion in the making.. with you as its founder.. inquiring minds want to know.

Are trying to say that Christianity didn't do away with many Judaism traditions? Are you joking me? We eat pork, we don’t get circumcised? Does superiority have anything to do with true positivity and light and love? Why are you questioning Greek life, in this debate? I think you’re the one with the wrong thoughts on Christianity. I'm not trying to find any religion, I'm talking as a Christian. You obviously need to learn a lot more about Christianity let a lone other world religions. Incase you haven't noticed this forum is about comparative religion, we should debate and share ideas. Esepcially in the forum I have posted "Belief and Spirituality" I feel slightly attacked by your posts, Faithful servant.

Faithfulservant · 02-07-2005, 04:27 AM

Dont get defensive.. Im just challenging your statements.

Im curious as where they are heading. I was under the impression you were a Christian and could not understand where you were coming from since some of them werent biblically based. As far as attacking you.. I may have seemed to attack your personal doctrines because I do not believe in them but I would do that with anyone that I did not agree with. If you are going to form an opinion you should expect that someone is going to disagree.