HELL or HECK ? - Page 2

moseslmpg · 10-10-2006, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by sara[h]ng

Well, first off, as I said, it isn't a true story. Check snopes.com if you want the scoop on that.

Secondly, why should they have 'failed miserably'??

I think it's a brilliant sciency analysis of an abstract concept, which is really what the professor asked for. A+ material, for sure.

There is a very distinct difference between scientific and sciency. They should have failed miserably because it's shoddy logic as well as sciency explanations. It's clever, but cleverness doesn't get you anywhere...at least not in my college.

Quahom1 · 10-10-2006, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Snoopy

Can I offer an answer not taken from the Bible? This I have read in a book called Zen Flesh, Zen Bones. I think it's a clear answer to your questions.

A soldier named Nobushige came to Hakuin and asked: "Is there really a paradise and a hell?"
"Who are you?" inquired Hakuin.
"I am a samurai", the warrior replied.
"You, a soldier!" sneered Hakuin, "What kind of ruler would have you as his guard? You look like a beggar".
Nobushige became so angry that he began to draw his sword.
Hakuin continued: "So you have a sword! Your weapon is probably too dull to cut off my head."
Nobushige drew his sword.
Hakuin remarked: "Here open the gates of hell!"
At these words the samurai, perceiving the master's discipline, put away his sword and bowed.
"Here open the gates of paradise", said Hakuin.

Snoopy.

Very profound thought.

sara[h]ng · 10-10-2006, 02:17 AM

Science does not apply to Hell, at least as we know both of those things, so 'sciency' is as good as anyone's going to get. Now, you could argue that 'sciency' is so inadequate to the point that noone should use it, but, that's what the professor asked for and he had no choice.

As for shoddy logic, specifically what are you referring to? The change in mass over time paragraph is illogical to some degree, but that's only because of the subject matter, and he did the best that anyone could. The only thing outside of that that I really see is that there could be a third possibility: that the rate of expansion is the same as the rate of souls entering and so it's in equilibrium. BUT! If you want to be technical, the professor gave only endo and exothermic as options.

Very often in science courses, professors and students get carried away with the memorization of facts. That's not learning science. It is the thought processes that lead to critical thinking and so, discovery, that define the field. Cleverness is a plus.

Quahom1 · 10-10-2006, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by moseslmpg

I hope they didn't really get an A. They should have failed miserably.

I would have given him an A for the sheer brilliance of the piece. And since the question itself might be construed as a slight on religious beliefs, the ensuing response was appropriate in returning the slight.

mee · 10-10-2006, 10:14 AM

Hell
Definition: The word "hell" is found in many Bible translations. In the same verses other translations read "the grave," "the world of the dead," and so forth. Other Bibles simply transliterate the original-language words that are sometimes rendered "hell"; that is, they express them with the letters of our alphabet but leave the words untranslated. What are those words? The Hebrew she’ohl´ and its Greek equivalent hai´des, which refer, not to an individual burial place, but to the common grave of dead mankind; also the Greek ge´en·na, which is used as a symbol of eternal destruction. However, both in Christendom and in many non-Christian religions it is taught that hell is a place inhabited by demons and where the wicked, after death, are punished (and some believe that this is with torment).

wil · 10-10-2006, 01:02 PM

Coming up with any logical or semilogical answer in a science class must be rare....I like the joke and I've got A's for worst.

InLove · 10-10-2006, 01:22 PM

I personally thought it was brilliant. Gotta use at least both "halves" of your brain to write something like that, not to mention the fun of risking a bad grade for something better!

InPeace,
InLove

Terrence · 10-10-2006, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mee

Hell
Definition: The word "hell" is found in many Bible translations. In the same verses other translations read "the grave," "the world of the dead," and so forth. Other Bibles simply transliterate the original-language words that are sometimes rendered "hell"; that is, they express them with the letters of our alphabet but leave the words untranslated. What are those words? The Hebrew she’ohl´ and its Greek equivalent hai´des, which refer, not to an individual burial place, but to the common grave of dead mankind; also the Greek ge´en·na, which is used as a symbol of eternal destruction. However, both in Christendom and in many non-Christian religions it is taught that hell is a place inhabited by demons and where the wicked, after death, are punished (and some believe that this is with torment).

If you dont repent and put your trust in the real Jesus (not the JW version) and not in your own good works, you will find out that there is a place where the worm never dies and the smoke of unregenerated sinners will go up forever and ever. Please consider looking at something that isnt JW based. You're eternal life depends on it.

YO-ELEVEN-11 · 10-10-2006, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Terrence

If you dont repent and put your trust in the real Jesus (not the JW version) and not in your own good works, you will find out that there is a place where the worm never dies and the smoke of unregenerated sinners will go up forever and ever. Please consider looking at something that isnt JW based. You're eternal life depends on it.

What is JW?

So, hell is made out of smoke and worms?

kinda sounds like a swamp in Louisiana.

sara[h]ng · 10-10-2006, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Terrence

JW is short for J. Witness. As for the other comments, Im not sure if you were being a jerk or genuine. So, I'll let someone else answer.

Why is your interpretation of Hell right and the JW one is not?

sara[h]ng · 10-10-2006, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by wil

Coming up with any logical or semilogical answer in a science class must be rare....

Huh?

Quahom1 · 10-10-2006, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sara[h]ng

Why is your interpretation of Hell right and the JW one is not?

It counters what the Bible specifically states hell as being (a place of torment).

sara[h]ng · 10-10-2006, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

It counters what the Bible specifically states hell as being (a place of torment).

Hm. I think there's something I'm not getting here. Did someone post the JW idea of Hell on here and I missed it? If noone did, what is that idea of Hell? And forgive my lack of knowledge on the subject, I'd reference it myself if it were practical, but what does the Bible specifically state Hell to be?

wil · 10-10-2006, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sara[h]ng

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Originally Posted by wil
Coming up with any logical or semilogical answer in a science class must be rare....

Huh?

Sorry I was refering to the question in the story... "Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)?" And the challenge to a student in combining theological and scientific thought...

Terrence · 10-10-2006, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by sara[h]ng

Why is your interpretation of Hell right and the JW one is not?

Simply. Because I dont interprete the scriptures but instead allow the scriptures to interprete itself. Thats correct hermanutics.