HELL or HECK ?

[sara[h]ng]

Interpret itself? I don't understand. One could take a liberal interpretation, a conservative one... one could consider differences in translations and changes over time...

[InLove]

Yes, but what is heck? No one has answered that yet.

[wil]

Originally Posted by Terrence

Simply. Because I dont interprete the scriptures but instead allow the scriptures to interprete itself. Thats correct hermanutics.

I think this is the issue, it seems so many think they are privy to the answer and the others have it wrong. For this we have a variety of orhodoxies, and a variety of Protestants and we created a liberal space so that those like me who have views which can't be tolerated here have a place to discuss.

But I do find it sad that even with me keeping my heretical notions off this board there is still such todo over here. Judge not less ye be judged comes to mind...but that would be judgemental.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by sara[h]ng

Hm. I think there's something I'm not getting here. Did someone post the JW idea of Hell on here and I missed it? If noone did, what is that idea of Hell? And forgive my lack of knowledge on the subject, I'd reference it myself if it were practical, but what does the Bible specifically state Hell to be?

Yes, Mee, gave his definition of Hell. However, the definition is only half of the whole. The part Mee describes accurately is Sheol or Hades, which is the grave. The second part (though called Hell in English) is actually a different word in the original Greek and Aramaic, and it is found in both the Gospels as well as in Revelation. It describes a place of torment, and anguish beyond imagination, for those who are removed from the sight of God (and I suspect His memory).

The English translation calls both concept "hell" however the descriptor before and after the word, identifies which concept the author is describing.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by InLove

Yes, but what is heck? No one has answered that yet.

H E double tooth picks in kid's speak (that's to avoid the soap cake in the mouth as I recall)

[Terrence]

Originally Posted by sara[h]ng

Interpret itself? I don't understand. One could take a liberal interpretation, a conservative one... one could consider differences in translations and changes over time...

All I meant was to just use clearer scripture to interpret the not so cear scripture that deals with the same topic. u know?

[moseslmpg]

There's supposedly seven different Hells in Judaism. So there are presumably seven different correlating definitions of Hell in English, as well.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by moseslmpg

There's supposedly seven different Hells in Judaism. So there are presumably seven different correlating definitions of Hell in English, as well.

I think you meant Islam? No, Christianity does not consider levels of Hell. Though Dantes did write a story about something similar (The inferno).

[Dor]

Originally Posted by wil

I think this is the issue, it seems so many think they are privy to the answer and the others have it wrong. For this we have a variety of orhodoxies, and a variety of Protestants and we created a liberal space so that those like me who have views which can't be tolerated here have a place to discuss.

But I do find it sad that even with me keeping my heretical notions off this board there is still such todo over here. Judge not less ye be judged comes to mind...but that would be judgemental.

We are actually to judge everything but a man's heart.

[moseslmpg]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

I think you meant Islam? No, Christianity does not consider levels of Hell. Though Dantes did write a story about something similar (The inferno).

No, it's definitely Judaism. The only three that show up distinctly in Christianity are Abaddon, Sheol, and Gehenna. I don't know the Islamic Hells, but I know one that correlates to Gehenna is called Jahannam.

You know, the Encyclopedia of Hell by Miriam Van Scott is a pretty good source of information for different interpretations of Hell. They're not all directly biblical, but many of them are based on the biblical accounts, along with the references to pop culture, etc. It probably won't answer any deep questions, but there it is for people who have the interest.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by moseslmpg

No, it's definitely Judaism. The only three that show up distinctly in Christianity are Abaddon, Sheol, and Gehenna. I don't know the Islamic Hells, but I know one that correlates to Gehenna is called Jahannam.

You know, the Encyclopedia of Hell by Miriam Van Scott is a pretty good source of information for different interpretations of Hell. They're not all directly biblical, but many of them are based on the biblical accounts, along with the references to pop culture, etc. It probably won't answer any deep questions, but there it is for people who have the interest.

Sheol is the grave. Gehenna is interesting, in that it corrolates with the garbage pit of the same name out side of Jeruselem. That was where animal carcasses, refuse, and some remains were dumped, and there was a constant burning occuring deep within the garbage. The stench was unbelievable. However, the description of Gehenna as being like the hell of torment was a pitance of what the actual Hell is allegedly like.

Abaddon is the realm of the dead.

These are not levels of hell, but descriptors of different concepts. Sheol is the physical grave where the body corrupts (decays). Gehenna was an attempt to describe what torment awaited those who were lawless and evil. Abaddon described the waiting place of the dead.

When the spirit seperated from the body the two end up in different places (for lack of a better term). The final place is where no one wants to ultimately end up.

[moseslmpg]

Sheol, Abaddon, and Gehenna are all different Hells in Judaism. Gehenna's name came from the valley of Hinnom, sheol supposedly means grave, and abaddon means destruction, but I wasn't talking about their names.

Actually, I just found out that it comes from Qabalah, not Judaism per se. Likewise there are 7 Earths and 7 Heavens there.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by moseslmpg

Sheol, Abaddon, and Gehenna are all different Hells in Judaism. Gehenna's name came from the valley of Hinnom, sheol supposedly means grave, and abaddon means destruction, but I wasn't talking about their names.

Actually, I just found out that it comes from Qabalah, not Judaism per se. Likewise there are 7 Earths and 7 Heavens there.

Right, it is the garbage pit there. Nor are the rest different "hells" perse, but conditions of death.

[moseslmpg]

They are hells, just not in the same sense that Christians think of hell. Gehenna corresponds more closely to Purgatory than Hell in Christianity. The actual word Hell comes from hel, meaing to cover, but that doesn't mean Hell is just when you are covered by linens at burial. Armageddon is not some mountain, it is the final battle between good and evil, in the same way the Gehenna is not Gei Hinnom but the first hell.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by moseslmpg

They are hells, just not in the same sense that Christians think of hell. Gehenna corresponds more closely to Purgatory than Hell in Christianity. The actual word Hell comes from hel, meaing to cover, but that doesn't mean Hell is just when you are covered by linens at burial. Armageddon is not some mountain, it is the final battle between good and evil, in the same way the Gehenna is not Gei Hinnom but the first hell.

My friend, I can assure you from a Catholic perspective, Gehenna is not purgatory. And I didn't think we were discussing the Germanic version of the word so much as the original variations of death. And Gehenna is a refuse pit that constantly burns and stinks (a land fill of old if you will).

Armageddon is a Valley...not a mountain.